Help needed to finalize upgrade on JVC RX-5032V

Post by **vickyg2003** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:38 pm

Sorry, I was not familiar with the "helper" concept; from what I understand, when not too many keys are involved, it's basically to use a device upgrade in order to complete another one through keymoves, correct?

Yes that is correct.

John can you look at this spreadsheet that compares the learn and the upgrade.

https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=7517

I loaded an 8910 with ylaviolettes learned signals that "work fluidly" and shot them at my widget. I then loaded the latest ir that uses the helper protocol into the 8910 and shot that at the widget. If you remember, the learned signal that works fluidly was captured after the first frame was sent. Now that I have both signals being sent from the 8910 I see that the times are a little shorter on the upgrade, but I have no idea why that would make the signal work 'flakey'. I would think if the timings were that far off the signals wouldn't work at all.

Post by **vickyg2003** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:18 am

I tweaked the protocol, so that it has nothing left of the JVC-48 signal. I changed the frequency, lead-in, one and zero timing pairs.

I updated my spreadsheet to included the non-repeating learned signal , and the learns using the upgrade below.

Upgrade protocol 0 = 01 FF (S3C8+) jvc48 Variant (PB v4.01)
43 8C 51 8B 12 8F 48 08 08 01 04 00 E6 01 04 02
DA 3F 5C 07 E0 03 EC E6 0C E8 60 03 20 01 E4 08
09 B4 03 09 20 10 F6 01 46 F6 01 0A FB 0D 00 0C
EB F4 C6 3E 00 00 B0 4A F6 01 0A AF
End

Here is the ir file I used to create the widget timings in the spreadsheet.

If this doesn't clear up the "flakey" signal, there is no more that I can possibly do.

ylaviolette · Post by **ylaviolette** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:15 pm

Great, this works; now can this be implemented with the device combiner (how?) or will I have to use a "helper" file + keymoves?

Thx for your assistance, hopefully this will benefit the other users.

Post by **vickyg2003** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:35 pm

I haven't had much luck with the device combiner. I was under the impression from earlier in this thread that the device combiner might need a built-in devices. However after I read the help in KM, I think you might be able to use the device combiner.

KM said:
The Device Combiner allows you to combine up to 16 different
devices (i.e. Setup Codes) into one Device Upgrade.

Any protocols specified in the Device Combiner MUST use 1-byte
function commands. Remotes using P8/740, M6805-C9 or
M6805-RC16/18 protocol code also require that the protocols MUST
be built-in (not an upgrade).

So it looks like you can edit your device combiner upgrade to use the 01FF protocol instead of the 00C9 protocol. But I sure don't know how to get it in to RM.

Post by **vickyg2003** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:45 pm

Too Cool! I just opened RM to see how you'd get this into the device combiner, and it was really easy.

RM lets you import the Helper protocol into the device combiner.

ylaviolette · Post by **ylaviolette** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:22 pm

Is it under "manual settings" under the device combiner tab?

if so what do I enter under protocol ID and fixed code ?

If the procedure is something else, please let me know so I can test it, thx

Post by **vickyg2003** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:48 pm

Your combiner rdmu file should look like this

And your IR file must have the 01FF protocol as well as the 144 protocol. I tested it and it seems to work.

ylaviolette · Post by **ylaviolette** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:36 pm

This file only shows protocols 163 and 175?
how can I add the revised jvc-48 protocol to the combiner?

thx

Post by **vickyg2003** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:05 pm

Oh poop! I worked on it, saved it, and somehow corrupted it! DRAT.

ylaviolette · Post by **ylaviolette** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:17 pm

Did you have a chance to update the file? Thx

Post by **vickyg2003** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:11 pm

When I work on the device combiner in RM, once I save it I can't open it again.

I had updated this IR file with the upgrade, but I can't figure out any way to get the rdmu files to save and be able to open them.

ylaviolette · Post by **ylaviolette** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:09 am

Can you just describe how you proceeded in RM to add the new protocol (tabs, fields, data input, etc) ?
I will try to do it manually on my end. Thx again.

Post by **vickyg2003** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:45 am

ylaviolette, what is the point if we can't save/open the upgrade. I've emailed Greg about my difficulty with this RDMU. Hopefully he'll be able to fix this. In the mean time, if you could live with the front speakers on the shift keys, you could use a combo with helper using less keymove space and less upgrade space.

EDIT: Remembering the first rule I ever learned here,(if its not working look for a newer software version) I realized I wasn't running the latest and greatest. I downloaded the latest and greatest version of RM. I was running RM 1.93, so I moved on to RM 1.98.5 and found that this version of RM didn't even cover the device combiner for the urc-8910. Greg assures me that was an accident so I went back to version 1.97 and still I could not get this to open. It loses the the manual settings on reload.

ylaviolette · Post by **ylaviolette** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:27 pm

Thx Vicky, just wanted to see if I would experience the same problems on my end. I am also running version 1.97. If you believe it'll be the same results then it's no use. keep me posted on this once you hear back from Greg.

As for the helper file, can you send me the RM file you used for the helper.

Also, do I understand that shifted keys take up less keymove space? Not sure I follow this part?

Thx

Post by **vickyg2003** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:43 pm

ylaviolette wrote:Thx Vicky, just wanted to see if I would experience the same problems on my end. I am also running version 1.97. If you believe it'll be the same results then it's no use. keep me posted on this once you hear back from Greg.

As for the helper file, can you send me the RM file you used for the helper.

Once you reported that this upgrade worked better I updated the file I put in here

Also, do I understand that shifted keys take up less keymove space? Not sure I follow this part?

Thx

Oh sorry, I can see why you didn't follow that. A while ago, I did an IR for you that used the combo/helper. I had switched the Rear and Front functions, because the REAR functions used the JVC Combo device which holds most of the functions. The REAR functions didn't NEED to be keymoved if they were not on the shifted keys, while the helper functions MUST be keymoved if you want them in the same device mode, so why not put them on the Shifted keys?

Also The 8910 works with 3 digit EFC's for keymoves, so the keymoves are smaller for our Helper Protocol than they are for either the Combo, or a Combiner. So using the combo/helper is a win/win, IF you can live with the REAR and FRONT functions reversed.