Yamaha AV cycles through inputs: discrete or workaround?

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alxgdwn
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Yamaha AV cycles through inputs: discrete or workaround?

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My Yamaha HTR-5230 has physical inputs for analog and digital DVD (and also Satellite), but one button cycles between analog and auto(digital). So to switch between the inputs, I have to choose the DVD input button repeatedly. It also retains its state, so I can't seem to use a toggle.

I've tried all of Rob's master-file for Yamaha, including the temptingly named "INPUT MODE DIGITAL" in #3 to no avail. Any suggestions?
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Post by 3FG »

I don't understand the problem. Yamaha #1 (NEC1 122) lists 14 different codes for various inputs. There is a HTR-5280 CCF file at RemoteCentral, and it seems to match Yamaha #1, although it doesn't list all the inputs. (Ain't nobody got 14 different things to plug in!) It also has some NEC1 126 codes (like #3) but they don't relate to inputs.

Are you saying that none of the 14 do what you want?
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Post by alxgdwn »

Sorry that my first explanation wasn't clear. I'll try again:

The receiver has two connectors on the rear for a DVD: optical and RCA. The manufacturer supplied remote has a single button for DVD. When you press it, it switches to DVD and then cycles between "DVD Auto" and "DVD Analog" inputs. (Kind of like a power button without discrete codes-turns the TV both on and off)

The JP1 code in the master code for this button does work and has the same functionality. What doesn't seem to exist is a code that will switch to DVD and Auto or Analog, which would let me switch directly to the optical or RCA inputs. (I've tried INPUT LD, INPUT DVD, INPUT D-TV/LD, INPUT SAT and others from the master file, but all switch to the component type as described above)

I can't seem to come up with a workaround, because when you press the button, it returns to the previous input (DVD auto, for instance) rather than starting the cycle anew.

So, does anyone know a workaround or if there are codes for this that I simply missed.
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Post by vickyg2003 »

You didn't say which remote you have, but you mentioned a toggle. Does that mean you've tried working this with the ToadTog Protocol?

Are you using an extender?


I have a device that only cycles through the inputs and I know how frustrating that can be to control. To complicate things further I have his/her remotes in every room, but eventually I was able to tame my system with LKP's and DSM's.
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Tip: When creating an upgrade, always include ALL functions from the oem remote, even if you never plan on assigning them to a button. Complete function lists makes an upgrade more helpful to others.
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Post by alxgdwn »

This may get over my head: I'm using a URC-6131N, but not with extender or with ToadTog (I don't know what those are, but would learn how to use, if it could help). To date, I've just copied protocols, made key moves, and other basics at this point: I forgot that "toggle" had a different meaning here.

I'm trying to find someone that has a workaround or knows of codes that could work.
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Post by vickyg2003 »

The ToadTog protocol lets you keep track of the state of your equipment by setting bits. So when a bit is set you send a different macro than when the bit isn't set. I don't use the toadtog protocol in that way because I use multiple remotes, so it isn't feasible to keep track of the state of my equipment, but this might offer you what you need..
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Post by 3FG »

I looked at the manual. The receiver has multiple inputs. CD, Tuner, Tape, VCR, and Aux only accept analog signals. TV and DVD accept coax and optical digital inputs as well as analog, and uses a mode switch to select the digital or analog signal. If the input is set to DVD and the mode is set to Auto, the signal is selected by priority: coax, optical, analog. If Analog mode is selected, the analog signal is used even if a digital signal is present. On power-up, the DVD input mode is always set to Auto.

In my opinion, this arrangement should work well for most setups, and I doubt that Yamaha has built in a discrete code to do something different. If so, then a workaround is needed, but I'm still having trouble understanding the use case.

Is the Auto detection too slow? Do you have two DVD players, with different signal outputs? (Just shut off the player with the higher priority signal to use the other player.)

In other words, it will be easier to suggest a workaround if you spell out what you want the equipment to do.


Now, a completely unrelated topic. You have a 6131n. Right now, one of the forum regulars is trying to improve the accuracy of the RDF files, and there are some questions about whether the 6131n underwent some minor changes after the remote was first manufactured. If you want to dive into the details see https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11549. Anyway, was your 6131n manufactured in the last year or two? And did you modify it for a JP1 connector yourself?
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Post by alxgdwn »

Thanks 3FG! In terms of use case: I've used all of the inputs and have my DVD player hooked up to DVD optical and my PC hooked up to DVD analog. Neither are easy to shut off to use Auto as you suggest via a macro, and I'd be hard pressed to control their state with a toadtog... for now I've just rigged the Audio button on the remote to send the DVD input signal so I can switch between auto and analog.

w.r.t. my 6131n, it's at least 3 years old and I modified it myself. I have a newer, but refurbished unmodified one as a backup just in case. If I can help, let me know! (I couldn't make heads or tails of the link)
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Post by 3FG »

Well, after making you go to the trouble of spelling out the use case, I have to admit that I don't see any workaround, if you can't turn the DVD on and off.

About the 6131n, I was hoping for a much newer one that has been modified. So there isn't anything to try. Thanks.
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