JP1 Remotes

vickyg2003 · Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: ToadTog Users Opinions Please

I don't use toadtogs because I have muliple remotes for each room, but as I was looking at Macros that Elizabeth wrote and thinking of a solution to the device selection problems that someone posted the other day a solution came to me.

I was thinking of a CASE or SuperTog protocol. It would take 2 or 3 consecutive toadTog bits, evaluate them to a number (0-3 or 0-7) and then do 1 of 7 keys. It would allow you to force those bits to a value.

IF dosomething?
Decode(key0,key1,key2,key3,key4,key5,key6,key7)
ENDIF
IF replace?
Relace toadtog bits with this value
ENDIF

I think that this would be a powerful tool for the JP1 users who need to keep state of their home theater. I don't know if we even have a tool like this. I think it eliminate the complexity of keepin state for the end user.

Opinions please.

Capn Trips · Expert Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 3990

I imagine that such a "SuperTog" could be particularly useful for receivers or monitors (TVs) that do not have discrete input selection, and require one to cycle through a series of input options before hitting the correct one.

Or perhaps in the case of a menu-driven selection in which the starting point of the menu screen is determined by the current mode or state of the piece of equipment.

Having just said I appreciate where such a functionality might be of benefit, I fear that out-of-synch issues, which even in the "cleanest" ToadTog setups occur occasionally, would be exponentially more complex and difficult to recover from.
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vickyg2003 · Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:48 am Post subject:

unclemiltie · Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:25 am Post subject:

This would be useful to me as I'm currently using two ToadTog's for one device (one for power, one for "output select") and in general, the state of the two are linked via the device button that triggers them both.

however, I do agree with cap'n that sync issies will be exponentially more complex

vickyg2003 · Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject:

Hmm, I really wanted to know how desirable something like this would be, but I think jsevinsk beat me to it. I guess I can wait and see how his is received.

jsevinsk · Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Posts: 82 Location: Shrewsbury, MA

vickyg2003 · Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:04 pm Post subject:

So John, yours is a looping protocol.

My idea is quite different.

I thought about a looping but the menu on my TV has very weird looping depending on what state its in, it loops differently. If you're in antenna mode it acts differently than if you choose any other input. So since mine loops differently depending on state, I wanted the JP1 programmer to have the control that I need.

jsevinsk · Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Posts: 82 Location: Shrewsbury, MA

I have another feature that I've been working on (that I mentioned in another thread) that is a state controller, but it's closely tied to device selection. You define DSMs for three phantom keys for each device you have. The first key, called the Activate key, will have all the commands to activate a device, which would involve turning on the power and setting the TV and audio receiver to the correct inputs. The second key, called the DeAcvivate key, would "back it out" of that activity, which would most likely be just turning off the power for that device. A third key, called the ReActivate key, is used when you activate a device that's already active and can be used to re-send the input selection keys or power on key. A new phantom command X_Activate will activate the current temporary device.

The best way to describe this is to give you examples of what it does. Assume the TV device is "active".

Because this is closely tied to the device selection meta-keys, it is not very general purpose. However, maybe we can think of a general purpose way to solve all our problems.

sfhub · Joined: 12 Oct 2003 Posts: 287

ElizabethD · Advanced Member Joined: 09 Feb 2004 Posts: 2348

I've only been using very simple ToadTogs for power and sound mode. This thread adds complexity, and I think some ideas here fall under, what I would call, composite ToadTogs. So here's a good one from 8910ext readme file in case this example isn't in other readme files: