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[vickyg2003]

Yes there is a way to make the macro repeat and its very clean and simple. You just have to have LKP available.

Simple example;

VCR button C_VCR; M_VCR; Phantom4

Phantom4 LKP Short 1; Long 5;Phantom4

As long as I hold my VCR button down it keeps repeating 5, when I let up I get a 1.

This would be a great way to handle those stated menus, with no ToadTog. Press and hold the The VCR button, and have a the

VCR button C_VCR; M_VCR; X_TV;TV/VCR; Phantom4

Phantom4 LKP Short (ENTER;X_CANCEL) Long ( DOWNARROW;Phantom4)

I'd call this recursion. Just make sure you put the call to itself on the LONG side. If you do it on the SHORT side you get an infinite loop.
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[ElizabethD]

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[Nils_Ekberg]

If I tap CBL button then the macro (DSM for Shift-DiscreteOn) would execute one time and exit.

If I press and hold it then it runs that same macro the amount of time it is entered in the long press. By the way, that is just an example but I did try it and it works.

The DSM is a real macro and what it does it switch my TV to AV then to Component. It actually works kind of like a discrete by forcing it to AV no matter what the state the TV is in then switches it back to the first Component.
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[ElizabethD]

Since this thread got pretty long, and it can be done, I thought I'll summarize the three approaches.

Let's say we want this test macro to repeat:
CH+;CH+;Vol+;Vol+;1;SHIFT-Angle{Sleep}
This is an unrealistic example but I need to be sure ch and 1 go to the calling device, and vol always to the tuner becase of volume punch through, so that's my test macro. SHIFT-Angle{Sleep} is pause.

Using the LKP ideas (simple, why didn't I think of it?):
Note that unless the short side of the LKPs is blank, on release of the button the short side is executed, which you may or may not want. In case of tuning I don't want it. Timing is about 1/sec.

(1) LKP method 1
Macro on XSHIFT-4: CH+;CH+;Vol+;Vol+;1;SHIFT-Angle{Sleep};4
TV/4: LKP(1) [Short]:< Blank > [Long]:XSHIFT-4
DVD/4: LKP(1) [Short]:< Blank > [Long]:XSHIFT-4Press and hold 4 to repeat
You can also code this without ;4 at the end of the macro. It'll repeat by Long side, so long as pause is NOT the last entry in the macro. For my two-command tuning job, I just reverse the commands.

(2) LKP method 2
Macro on XSHIFT-5: CH+;CH+;Vol+;Vol+;1;SHIFT-Angle{Sleep}
TV/5: LKP(1) [Short]:XSHIFT-5 [Long]:XSHIFT-5;5
DVD/5: LKP(1) [Short]:XSHIFT-5 [Long]:XSHIFT-5;5Press 5 once to send one iteration, hold 5 to repeat

(3) Special Protocol method
Timing is about 2/sec.
Macro on Thumbs_Up: CH+;CH+;Vol+;Vol+;1;SHIFT-Angle{Sleep};XSHIFT-Phantom2
TV/XSHIFT-Phantom2: <N/A> TV 1111 $00
DVD/XSHIFT-Phantom2: <N/A> TV 1111 $00
Press ThumbsUp once to send one iteration, hold it to repeat
I tried reusing just one of those repeaters with X_TV...X_Cancel for DVD and other gear. No go. Need separate keymoves/device.

Not bored yet? Here is a more realistic example for variable advance/replay on DISH. I used Special Protocol MacroReps.
> DISH has an ADVANCE button which advances 30 seconds.
> DISH accepts commands slowly. It needs a break of about a second between commands.
> Different DISH boxes require different pause between commands.
> Some programs or stations have different amount of commercials time to be skipped.
> Consequently, fixed skip time is not a good solution.
So, in 6131, with pause coded on Shift-Phantom1, I put
Global macro on Next_Track: Advance;SHIFT-Phantom1;Phantom4
Repeater keymove on CBL/SAT/Phantom4 <N/A> TV 1111 $00

Another use is for slowing down the receiver tuning to 2/sec from the native repeat of 10/sec. Using the two LKP methods above, it runs at about 1/sec with the shortest of pauses. I think LKP latency slows things down.

Special Protocol code for device and protocol upgrades:

1) Paste device upgrade in IR. In 8910 it will be seen as VCR/1111 so the repeater keymove should use VCR not TV/1111

[Tommy Tyler]

Liz,

Great work on the repeating macro. I've already put the Dish example to work, using your special protocol, and it works beautifully for skipping commercials of varying lengths.

Tommy

[Capn Trips]

I'm following most of this, and in a few months, when I move back to the US and likely become a DISH customer again, I will have to revisit this to give it a try. One question about the operational use for the 30-sec skip * X iterations.

I understand how the construction of the protocol and LKP gets you to where the nacro repeats as long as you are holding the button and stops when you release it, but how do you calibrate your "long" presses for either a 1, 3, or 5-minute (or whatever you're trying to achieve) skip? It seems to me that you really have no idea how many times the macro has fired WHILE you're holding the button down. You just have to calibrate your finger, I suppose.
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Remotes: OFA XSight Touch, AR XSight Touch
TVs: LG 65" Smart LED TV; Samsung QN850BF Series - 8K UHD Neo QLED LCD TV
RCVR: Onkyo TX-SR875; Integra DTR 40.3
DVD/VCR: Pioneer DV-400VK (multi-region DVD), Sony BDP-S350 (Blu-ray), Toshiba HD-A3 (HD-DVD), Panasonic AG-W1 (Multi-system VCR);
Laserdisc: Pioneer CLD-D704.
Amazon Firestick
tape deck: Pioneer CT 1380WR (double cassette deck)
(But I still have to get up for my beer)

[Tommy Tyler]

I've tried it both ways. There are so many 3-minute commercial breaks that I used a fixed six-step macro on the NEXT_TRACK button for a while, with pretty good success. But a lot of the time I had to suppliment that for longer breaks with individual pushes of the ADVANCE button.

Now, with my Dish receivers using Liz' repeating macro, you see the little clockwise arrow symbol at the upper right corner of the screen each time it transmits an ADVANCE command. So I've learned to just count six (or however many I want) of those and release the button. Not as hard as it sounds.

Tommy

[Tommy Tyler]

It's probably even easier to just count flashes of the red LED.

[ElizabethD]

Tommy, actually red LED on the 6131 counts everything the remote does including every call to pause, so it overshoots the count though at a different rate. The only true count is when you watch it in IRSA where the while LED blinks because that is the proof of signal going out.

CapnTrips, on the 8910 LCD you can actually watch when IR goes out rather than the commands to the remote, but then you can't watch TV, so it's not that convenient.
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[Tommy Tyler]

[Capn Trips]

No but perhaps we need a tactile feedback capability (I'm sure one of the experts can throw together a special protocol to do this ) that will transmit some sort of "pulse" through a held key every time the IR LED transmits, and then you don't have to look at the LED, you just feel in your finger that is holding down the button how many times it has fired.
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Remotes: OFA XSight Touch, AR XSight Touch
TVs: LG 65" Smart LED TV; Samsung QN850BF Series - 8K UHD Neo QLED LCD TV
RCVR: Onkyo TX-SR875; Integra DTR 40.3
DVD/VCR: Pioneer DV-400VK (multi-region DVD), Sony BDP-S350 (Blu-ray), Toshiba HD-A3 (HD-DVD), Panasonic AG-W1 (Multi-system VCR);
Laserdisc: Pioneer CLD-D704.
Amazon Firestick
tape deck: Pioneer CT 1380WR (double cassette deck)
(But I still have to get up for my beer)

[vickyg2003]

Ohh I hadn't thought about using this for the commerial skp, but this would really help me because my commercial skip goes in 15 second increments, but then isn't in the "ready" state to take the next one, so evein though I push it 20times I might not get 4 minutes, maybe only 2, but if I put this on the LKP and adjusted the interval, I could actually just count the number of times the time display changed. Or I could lengthen the time on the LKP and actually get the sceen to advance. Great idea, I had't thought of using this here, but manuallying fast forwarding to the end of the commercials is a very frustrating task for me, and I hadn't thought to attack it with a looping LKP. Great idea!

[Tommy Tyler]

Liz, your next assignment (should you choose to accept it) is to invent a direct entry variable length repeating macro for the Capn that might work something like this:

Pressing a setup button (in my case, I would use the SLEEP button) followed no more than 2 seconds later by a numeric button, would automatically repeat the macro two times the value of the numeric button, without having to hold anything down. For example, to get my 3-minute skip I would press SLEEP,3. It seems like years ago there was a feature something like that on TIVO, or somewhere.

For her 15-second skips, Vicky would need a version that repeated four times the value of the numeric button. If I were her, and I launched a 20-step macro with that thing, I would want a bail-out button, in case it's one of those short commercials, and it fooled you into starting a long skip.

Tommy