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gfb107
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ElizabethD,
RM has no limit on the number of functions allowed. The protocol determines that maximum number of unique commands.
Protocols that use 1 byte hex commands have a maximum of 256 values.
Protocols that use 2 byte hex commands have a macimum of 65536.
Panasonic Combo is a 2 byte protocol. 8 bits are used for the sub-device and 8 bits are used for the OBC.
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johnsfine
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Is that the question Elizabeth was really asking? Or was she really asking how many lines you can use in RM's functions tab UI before some part of the UI processing will break?
I assume the answer to that is "more than you're going to have patience to try, but maybe less than 65536." |
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The Robman
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| gfb107 wrote: | | Wouldn't it have been easier to use RM? |
I can only use RM at home as it's not copmpatible with the machine I use during the day, so it wasn't even an option. But even if it was, one of the main things that I like about using KM is that, being a spreadsheet, it allows you to cut & paste large chunks of data at a time, whereas RM forces you to type in the data one cell at a time.
I don't see how I could easily have created those lists of EFC5 codes, ready to post in a thread, using RM (unless I'm missing something).
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johnsfine
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Copy/paste of large chunks in RM isn't as obvious as it is (to an experienced Excel user) in KM. But I have managed to move bulk lists of functions in and out of RM via copy/paste.
With either KM or RM, I can't get decent results copying a large chunk of info directly to a post in the forum. I always copy from KM or RM to a text file in Visual Studio then repair the formatting, then copy/paste to a post. |
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The Robman
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| johnsfine wrote: | | Copy/paste of large chunks in RM isn't as obvious as it is (to an experienced Excel user) in KM. But I have managed to move bulk lists of functions in and out of RM via copy/paste. |
Care to elaborate?
| johnsfine wrote: | | With either KM or RM, I can't get decent results copying a large chunk of info directly to a post in the forum. I always copy from KM or RM to a text file in Visual Studio then repair the formatting, then copy/paste to a post. |
You're probably talking about the tabs between cells not displaying correctly. Here's how I handle it, let's say that the EFC5 was in cell B2 and the function name was in cell A2, in cell C2 I would type the following formula: =B2&" "&A2, this will put the EFC5 code in the beginning of the line, then a space, then the function name. I would then repeat this down the entire column before cut & pasting the results into the post.
If we were talking about OBCs or EFC3s where leading zeroes might be dropped causing the data to not line up correctly, I might use the following formula instead: =text(B2,"000")&" "&A2
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gfb107
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| The Robman wrote: |
I can only use RM at home as it's not copmpatible with the machine I use during the day, so it wasn't even an option. |
I saw the post time of 10:02pm and assumed you were home at the time.
| Quote: | But even if it was, one of the main things that I like about using KM is that, being a spreadsheet, it allows you to cut & paste large chunks of data at a time, whereas RM forces you to type in the data one cell at a time.
I don't see how I could easily have created those lists of EFC5 codes, ready to post in a thread, using RM (unless I'm missing something). |
To create that list using RM, here's what I would have done:- Load the upgrade
- Change the remote to one that uses EFC5
- Go to the Functions sheet.
- Reorder the columns to make EFC5 come immediately before Name (by dragging the column header of EFC5 to the left).
- Drag-select the cells I want to copy
- Right-click and select Copy
- Paste into a post
Here's how it looks (starting with Panasonic SC-HT500rm DVD.rmdu):
| Code: | 11426 0
11314 1
11442 2
11378 3
11506 4
11282 5
11410 6
11346 7
11474 8
11298 9
60734 vol up
60862 vol down
60790 mute
11368 channel up
11432 channel down
11398 power
60695 dolby
03897 menu
44854 surround
03862 up arrow
03990 down arrow
04054 left arrow
03926 right arrow
03929 select
03865 return
04048 display
04056 repeat
03881 position memory
03946 play
60903 pause
03962 rewind
04090 fast fwd
03898 stop
45045 centre focus
45023 csm
11475 -/--
60903 channel select - test
44539 sfc
60817 sub-woofer
04086 audio
04071 play mode mix2
04079 top menu navigator
03991 fm mode setup
11475 display dimmer
03899 cancel
60675 tv
60739 vcr
60447 tuner
60927 dvd/cd |
Block pasting in RM works also, assuming tab-separated column data.
Just reorder to columns to match the source data, then select the top-left cell you want to paste into, and paste.
Note that this is a destructive paste, in that it will overlay the values in subsequent rows and/or columns (if pasting multiple rows and/or columns). If it runs out of rows for pasting, it'll add as many as needed. In the early days of RM (back when we called it KMJ), before RM could import KM upgrades, this was how we transferred data from KM to RM.
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The Robman
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| gfb107 wrote: | | I saw the post time of 10:02pm and assumed you were home at the time. |
For the 2nd list I was at home, but the original list was posted at 2:09pm.
| gfb107 wrote: | | To create that list using RM, here's what I would have done: 1. Load the upgrade. |
I wasn't basing my list on an upgrade, I was basing it on the master list spreadsheet as I didn't want to limit the functions to just those that works for a specific device, I wanted to include all available functions for the model type.
Given that I was starting with a spreadsheet, would you still have done it using RM?
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gfb107
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| The Robman wrote: | | Given that I was starting with a spreadsheet, would you still have done it using RM? |
Not if I knew how to use Excel as well as you do.
But I probably would have used RM. I would have blocked copied-n-pasted from the spreasheet into RM after reordering the columns to match what was in the spreadsheet.
I just tried it, and copied the three columns of sub dev, obc, and name all in one operation, and it worked as expected. I even figured out how to hide the EFC5 column in Excel, since I would have started with the spreasheet that didn't have that column.
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ElizabethD
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| johnsfine wrote: | Or was she really asking how many lines you can use in RM's functions tab UI before some part of the UI processing will break?
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Correct. I did not contemplate the need for 65k rows.
I just ran quick statistics for current state of Panasonic main device 160 (as of 9-15, no HT15 there):
13 possible subdevices, 321 unique Subdevice-OBC combinations.
Edited:
I goofed, forgot to filter out devices 144 and 176, and no time to rerun now. |
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ElizabethD
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Never mind where I did or did not mess up. Excel says is 321 for device 160 
Here is the whole Audio and HT list in case someone needs a quick list for this conversion. It's in Diagnosis.
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=2245
File includes some old devices 9, 12, 18 as well as incomplete 144, 176. The filter is set for just 160.
It needs to go through Rob's calculator or, if fits through RM.
If not then sections can fit into KM or RM. |
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ElizabethD
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Quick busy work so experts don't have to waste time on it.
If this passes sanity check, then EFC5 for 144,176,160 devices are updated in the file I posted earlier.
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Dev Sub OBC Functions Hex EFC5
144 0 61 VCR: power/SYSTEM: power FF 43 60806
160 0 61 power FF 43 60806
160 4 61 power DF 43 60550
160 10 61 power AF 43 28550
160 18 61 power B7 43 44934
160 28 61 power C7 43 11398
176 0 61 DVD: Power FF 43 60806
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