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Rayzz



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 8:51 pm    Post subject: Some questions at startup Reply with quote

Hi, I'm just starting into JP1 with my RS 2116. Looks pretty neat and I'm excited about the trip. I'm also impressed with the JP1 community I've seen so far. I've got a JP1 cable, subscribed to the Yahoo group, downloaded the software and noodled around in it. I've also read Tommy Tyler's tutorial and put the add-ins into Excel. Before I jump in, I've got some questions:

1) I have been loading EFCs into the 2116 and use it to teach my MX500. Given what I've read aout the 2116 memory capacity, should I clear the memory on the 2116 bfore I start and how do I do that?

2) I have all of the setup codes I need except for a Denon DVM-4800. It's a 5 disc CD/DVD player and doesn't use the DVD_0490 setup code. I saw one piece of info that says I need to load this unit as a CD device. How do I find the setup code for it? Ihave searched a variety of sites (this one, Remote Central, Rob's hi-fi site), but I can't find the code.

Earlier today, johnsfine responded to a posting I hung on the Remote Central OFA forum and suggested that I post the Denon URL for the OBC numbers and one of the JP1 experts might be able to help, so here it is ( the DVM4800 is at the bottom of the list):

www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=5

3) Can I set up macros on the 2116 and then learn them to the MX500?

My wife will end up with a simple remote and mine will be more complex when I get done.

I'm looking forward to starting and will appreciate any help.

Thanks,

Ray
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) Don't worry about clearing the memory of the 2116. You can always delete the keymoves in IR.

2) For this you're going to have to use Keymap Master to create your own or modify an existing code for your remote. There's a file in the Yahoo file area (Files/Device Codes/CD) for a Denon CD changer. It uses the Denon protocol with Device=8.

2a) The link you posted decodes to the Denon protocol device=8 as well. Here are the OBC's (not EFC's)

Key OBC
0 1
1 2
....
9 10
>10 11
Subtitle 13
Audio 14
Angle 15
Open/Close 16
Menu 17
Return 18
Repeat 20
A. Fwd 24
A. Rev 25
M. Fwd 26
M. Rev 27
Play 0

And now for a tremendous caviat -- you may need to add 128 to each of the OBC's (I can't remember the details of the Denon protocol). To decode the rest, take C6 to C13 and reverse the digits. That (in binary) is the OBC.

3) I don't know if the MX-500 can handle very long learns, but you'll need an extender on the 2116 otherwise the MX-500 will only get the first few commands. My guess would be that it won't work, but you'll have to try to find out either way.

By the way, if you have the original Denon remote you could just learn the signals to the 2116 and IR will decode them for you.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is how I decode those commands (note the last three are device=6):

Device:OBC=>Key

8:129 0
8:130 1
8:131 2
8:132 3
8:133 4
8:134 5
8:135 6
8:136 7
8:137 8
8:138 9
8:140 ≧10
8:141 SUBTITLE
8:142 AUDIO
8:143 ANGLE
8:144 OPEN/CLOSE
8:145 MENU
8:146 RETURN
8:148 REPEAT
8:152 A.FWD(SKIP)
8:153 A.REV(SKIP)
8:154 M.FWD(SLOW/SEARCH)
8:155 M.REV(SLOW/SEARCH)
8:157 STILL/PAUSE
8:160 PLAY
8:161 STOP
8:162 PROGRAM/DIRECT
8:163 CLEAR
8:164 DISC 1
8:165 DISC 2
8:166 DISC 3
8:167 DISPLAY
8:168 DISC 4
8:169 DISC 5
8:170 RANDOM
8:171 DISC SKIP
8:172 UP
8:173 DN
8:174 Right
8:175 Left
8:177 POWER ON
8:182 V.S.S.
8:185 MARKER
8:186 A-B REPEAT
8:187 ENTER
8:188 SET UP
8:189 TOP MENU
8:190 CALL
8:128 TEXT

6:254 PAGE
6:255 GROUP
6:192 POWER OFF
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: Some questions at startup Reply with quote

Rayzz wrote:
URL for the OBC numbers and one of the JP1 experts might be able to help, so here it is ( the DVM4800 is at the bottom of the list):

www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=5


I might take some time to look later, but Jon already replied and is rarely wrong about such things, so I think you can just use Jon's decodes in KM or RM and build upgrade(s). With just three commands in the second device number, it's probably easier to make two upgrade and use keymoves than to make one combo upgrade.

Rayzz wrote:

3) Can I set up macros on the 2116 and then learn them to the MX500?


Usually macros on the 2116 are too slow to learn onto the MX500.
You could use the extender on the 2116 to make macros faster, then learn to the MX500. That provides reproducible timing so you can experiment with the command sequence and timing to suit the needs of the device being controlled.

Most people take the simpler path of just pressing the sequences of keys on the 2116 very quickly to teach a macro to the MX500. You can press keys much faster than a non extender 2116 can play a macro and well faster then needed to fit the limits of the MX500, but that doesn't give you the reproducible timing you may need if you also need to experiment to get device specific timing issues right.

If the macro involves different devices, there are two extra problems. You probably can't afford the time of the device switch within the macro, so you need to set up keymoves to put all the commands in one device mode on the 2116. I think the 2116 learns only one frequency at a time, so if the devices in the macro use different frequencies learning a whole macro won't work.
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Rayzz



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all for the information.

It's not clear whether I try this on the 2116 and download it or do it in IR and upload.

If I do this on the 2116 and download, I need to:

1) Setup device 8 as CD on the 2116 with an "unused" Set up code from the 2116 CD group in the manual.
2) Download the 2116 with the new Setup Code and type in jon's OBCs, or if that doesn't work, use the original CD remote to learn the buttons to the 2116 and downlaod it again. (Somwhere in here, I need to test the device 8 Setup via the power button)

3) Do I need to do an upgrade spreadsheet (or 2 as suggested) for device 8 on the 2116 with an "unused" Set up code from the CD group before or instead of step 2?

If I do it in IR and KM rather than the 2116, I do an uppgrade spreadsheet, enter the codes jon provided and upload to the 2116.

How close am I?

By the way, it will be just as easy to program the macros on the MX500, so I'm taking the MX500 off the table for this discussion.

Thanks again for the help.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KM is the KeyMap Master spreadsheet. KM and RM are the ways to create a new setup code, so I don't know what exactly you're confused about in items 1 and 2 above, but I'm pretty sure you're confused.

You create a new setup code for Denon device 8 using KM or RM and in doing so you type in all the OBC numbers (selecting or typing function names) that Jon listed. Within KM or RM you then assign functions to buttons.

Then you copy the device upgrade from KM (or RM) to IR for upload to the remote. (IR downloads or uploads the entire eeprom contents of the remote, never just parts of it. So you would load into IR any previous eeprom contents you want to keep from a file or the remote itself before copying in the device upgrade from KM).

I thought the MX500 had serious limits on its macro definitions so that many MX500 users choose to learn a macro from another remote (making the MX500 see it as one long signal) rather than define it as a macro.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, at least one breakthrough regarding JP1 - we both agree I'm confused! Very Happy

I spent some time reading T. Tyler's tutorial at lunch and, with your explanation, I can get started. A couple more read throughs and I'll take a whack at it, going from KM or RM to the 2116.

Once more - thank you.
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