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underquark · Post by **underquark** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:18 pm

Rob is right. Just the ranges 0 to 31 and 64 to 95. None of these (NEC1:0) DVD's that we've investigated use 32 to 63.

Sorry for duff advice. Is this range restriction due to licencing restrictions or just one of those things? Does it hold true for hidden codes, discrete codes etc. or are NEC1, Dev0 devices usually short on discretes?

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:28 pm

I have no idea. I've never personally tested one of these devices.

All I have are the signals learned or discovered by others and posted in various places.

Post by **The Robman** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:40 pm

It's not a hard and fast rule, there are plenty of examples out there of functions that use OBCs outside of the stated ranges, but it's very common for NEC and Pioneer signals to skip those ranges, therefore if you are going to go randomly searching for functions, it's a good idea to start with the "good" ranges, but if you want to complete, you would check the complete 0-255 range.

mathboy · Post by **mathboy** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:22 pm

John,

Do any of your code sets match the following OBC numbers (for NEC1 DEV 0)?

up arrow = 06
down arrow = 68
left arrow = 71

...if so, can you provide me with the right arrow? If not, I'll go ahead with Rob's sugestion and try all 255.

underquark · Post by **underquark** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:13 pm

The Robman wrote:if you are going to go randomly searching for functions, it's a good idea to start with the "good" ranges, but if you want to complete, you would check the complete 0-255 range.

I've done a couple of upgrades now and so I went back over them to see if there were any extra codes such as discretes. Did it the restricted range way and doing the whole 256 and it works out about the same in terms of time and effort. Didn't find a whole lot of useful codes, mind you, apart from a discrete brightness+ and a discrete color+ (no discrete minuses) but those functions are out there and useful to someone so in the same way that it's best to learn all functions even if you don't personally plan to map them to an actual button then it's good practice to hunt out any extra codes.

Found yet another NEC1, Dev0 BTW: up arrow is 006

but left arrow = 001, Enter = 000, right arrow 007, down arrow = 002

so doesn't help you on this occasion, mathboy. Will learn the rest in due course and upload.

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:16 pm

mathboy wrote: Do any of your code sets match the following OBC numbers

Yes. A Philo brand DVD. Right arrow is OBC 64.

mathboy · Post by **mathboy** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:28 pm

Perfect. Thanks. I have posted my RM .rmdu for this DVD player.

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:25 am

Does that mean you tested and Right Arrow actually was OBC 64 on the Accura DVD?

I hope you didn't just put 64 in that upgrade assuming it would work (because up, down and left happen to match the Philo VD-4108).

None of the other commands in your rmdu match the Philo. It is surprising that up, down, left and maybe right match.

I'm also surprised there are so few function (just 13). I thought almost all DVDs had lots of functions.

Also, if you ever upload a corrected or enhanced version of that .rmdu, please put the device number 0 in its place on the setup sheet. Leaving it blank generates the identical upgrade as puting the zero in, but makes whoever downloads it wonder whether you intended that or made a mistake. (Leaving Sub Device and parm blank is correct).

Also2, it would help to include the model number of the Accura in the description or notes section.

Post by **The Robman** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:54 am

Also3, whenever you upload a file that you'd like people to look at, please post a link to it as this saves people time in having to search for the file.

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:25 am

I didn't realize until now how many recently posted upgrades there are for NEC1 device 0, that I had forgotten to add to my summary file (in several cases despite reminers from Rob).

I just added a bunch and noticed that the Sungale_DVD2026 is a near perfect super set of the Accura upgrade we were discussing.
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=1912

Mathboy, can you try that Sungale upgrade and see how many functions work of the many functions it has and your upgrade doesn't. It can't be accidental that it is so close to a superset of your upgrade. But an important difference indicate either one of you made a mistake or they're not really the same code set. It has open/close where you have power (it has power elsewhere). It has Step where you have Stop (and it has stop elsewhere).

mathboy · Post by **mathboy** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:39 am

Mathboy, can you try that Sungale upgrade

John, the Sungale upgrade is very close. All the buttons are mapped properly with the exception of: select, pause, prev track, next track, stop and menu.

Does that mean you tested and Right Arrow actually was OBC 64 on the Accura DVD?

Yes it worked fine.

The reason my upgrade has so few buttons is because those are the only buttons I ever need for a DVD player. I own 200+ dvd's and never had a use for the 0-9 keys...if you believe there is a real need for these keys you can cut and paste the ones form the Sungale upgrade because they work fine.

Capn Trips · Post by **Capn Trips** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:47 pm

mathboy wrote:The reason my upgrade has so few buttons is because those are the only buttons I ever need for a DVD player. I own 200+ dvd's and never had a use for the 0-9 keys...if you believe there is a real need for these keys you can cut and paste the ones form the Sungale upgrade because they work fine.

I would suggest that you're slightly missing the point. All of the files that are uploaded in the device upgrade section are there NOT to help the guy who created them, since he already has it. It's to potentially help the NEXT guy (like you were 6 months ago). So although you are free, of course, to do what you wish, it is NICE to include in your upgrade file ALL KNOWN or IDENTIFIED FUNCTIONS that work for that device upgrade. If you have no need to assign them to buttons, that's fine, but at least entering the known functions on the functions tab makes a more complete upgrade, and potentially save some guy in the future who downloads this upgrade from having to ask dumb questions about "missing functions" like 0-9.

underquark · Post by **underquark** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:26 pm

Capn Trips wrote:It's to potentially help the NEXT guy...

Hear, hear. That's why I've posted a couple of my upgrades but - now that I'm beginning to have a clue what I'm doing - I'm going over them to make sure I've included all functions. I have other upgrades in the pipeline but plan to do them fully before uploading. As I get further on with this JP1 game I know I'll be grateful at some point as I benefit from an upgrade someone else has done thoutoughly because it will have that discrete code that I'm looking for and their effort will have saved me some effort.