Philips HDRW720 DVD recorder/PVR

hashitoxicosis · Post by **hashitoxicosis** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:34 am

Yes i did go through all the resources in this site and the JP1 yahoo grp. I do not see a KM file for my HDRW720, don't know if another one for any other machines works.

I had upgraded from OFA through the phone with partial functionality, but lost it when I tried to wav my projector in! DUH!. I want to build one from scratch, but don,t have the original remote(open box buy) .please point me to which prtocol it uses or the codes if any, or a starting KM file (even for another machine).

thanx

Post by **The Robman** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:21 am

You should post this in the Code Search forum and use the template. There are alot of questions I would need to ask you to continue with this which will all be answered if you use the template.

wolf · Post by **wolf** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:54 am

Timing coincidence. I'm a complete newbie with similar questions about the same PVR. I'm just at the point of learning how to upload/download codes to my remote (URC8910) using JP1.

I might have info that could help though. If I should post this somewhere else, I appologize for not knowing all the correct procedures yet. Anyway, I also upgraded my remote by phone (DVD code 1818), and got the advanced code list from OFA. I programmed keymoves on the remote to implement all of the buttons that I consider necessary on the HDRW720. That was before I started playing with JP1. Now, I've uploaded the remote configuration with the keymoves into IR.exe and saved the file.

Like I said, I'm just now learning the ropes here, so I haven't yet figured out how to get my keymoves in IR.exe into a KM file. But I think that's what hashitoxicosis needs. Also, my remote configuration has all the advanced codes listed as keymoves and they are using up lot of memory. Maybe there's a way to take the codes and buttons I've programed and make them not all be memory-hogging keymoves. I'll be happy to post my IR file if it can be useful.

Last comment - thanks Robman and others for putting these geat tools and forum out here.

....Wolf

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:46 pm

There's no automatic way to get an upgrade from the file stored by IR.EXE into KM nor is there an automatic way to get the KeyMoves merged into that upgrade. But the manual process of copying the data from IR to KM isn't very hard.

The first (and hardest) step is to translate the protocol ID and fixed data into a protocol name and device number(s). For that, I suggest you just post the Protocol ID and Fixed data and one of the experts will tell you the protocol and device number(s). You can find Protocol ID and Fixed data by clicking on the upgrade within IR.EXE's Devices tab.

You put protocol name and device numbers onto KM's setup sheet then copy EFC numbers to KM's functions sheet. In IR's upgrade tab and KeyMoves tab you see EFC numbers as assigned to keys on the remote. But as you copy those to KM's functions sheet you should apply your knowledge of how the device operates in order to give meaningful function names to those EFC numbers, rather than use the OFA remote's button names as if they were function names.

If you have any trouble or confusion you can upload your file saved from IR.EXE and/or KM to the diagnosis folder so we can see what's really there (rather than have you describe what you think is important from what you see when running IR or KM).

Post by **The Robman** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:45 pm

I would recommend taking the IR.exe dump and the document listing the advanced codes and zipping them together, then loading the zip file into the Diagnosis Area as this will enable someone else to re-create the upgrade even if you don't.

In the meantime, if you're pretty handy with editing data in Word and Excel, you can get your new upgrade started while you wait for an expert to give you the protocol and device codes. What you would need to do is take the Word doc of advanced codes that you were sent and arrange them so that there's one entry per line. Next you should cut & paste the data to a generic text file. Then you should open that file using Excel. Excel will ask you if the file is delimited or a fixed column, you should select fixed column then arrange the columns so that there's one column for the advanced codes and another for the function names.

Once you have the data imported into Excel, you should save the file in case you mess it up. Next you should sort the data using the aadvanced codes, this will highlight the fact that when UEI makes up these lists, they usually list 3 or 4 functions for each advanced code. You should eliminate all the meaningless duplicates so that you end up with one description for each advanced code. Once this is done, re-sort the list by function name then move the advanced code column to the right of the function name column and re-save the file.

Now you should fire up KM. On the setup sheet you should enter the brand and model of the device in the header box, plus enter any additional info that you think might be useful in the Notes section. Next, go to the Functions sheet and cut & paste the data from the spreadsheet you just created. When you do the paste, select "paste special" and then "values". It's OK to totally overlay all the default function names that appear in KM.

Next, go to the Buttons sheet and assign all of these new functions to the buttons of your choice.

Then finally, go back to the Setup sheet and save the file.

Remember, this is not a working upgrade yet as you won't have the correct protocol selected and the correct device codes entered, for those you'll have to wait for an expert to translate the protocol id and fixed data for you.

wolf · Post by **wolf** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:55 pm

Thanks Johnsfine and Robman. The piece I was missing was getting the protocol name and device number. Now I know I'll need some help with that. I guessed I could just enter the EFC numbers in KM after that.

I've uploaded a file DVD1818.zip to the diagnostics section. It hasn't shown up there yet, after about 10 minutes, so I'm assuming it takes a while to post.

My IR file is a dump of everything on my remote, not just DVD1818. I hope that's OK.

Thanks again.

....Wolfgang

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:24 pm

wolf wrote: I've uploaded a file DVD1818.zip to the diagnostics section. It hasn't shown up there yet, after about 10 minutes, so I'm assuming it takes a while to post.

I don't think there's any delay. I think the upload failed.

If you can't get the upload to work, you can email that .zip to me (email adress in the profile) and I'll give you the answers when I next check my email.

wolf · Post by **wolf** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:00 pm

It's there now. Took a while for some reason.

....Wolf

Post by **The Robman** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:19 pm

I can't find it. Could you please provide a link to the file so we don't need to go searching for it.

wolf · Post by **wolf** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:03 am

Really strange. I know it was there last night. It was the top file when I searched the diagnostic files by name/descending. But now I can't find it either. I re-posted the file and it's there now. Interestingly, this time it posted immediately. Yesterday there was a delay of at least several minutes before it showed up.

Here's the link:

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=1865

....Wolf

wolf · Post by **wolf** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:09 am

I just noticed the Sticky about how to post links to files on this forum. I have to get to work, so can't check if I got the link right right now, but here's the filename in the Diagnostics folder if needed:

Philips HDRW720 DVD Code 1818

....Wolf

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:53 am

I'm glad you posted the whole .ir file, rather than just pid and fixed data. This upgrade is a little stranger than I expected. I need info from a different computer to interpret it, even with the full .ir file. Hopefully I'll have time this evening to get you an answer, unless Rob or other expert recognizes this protocol upgrade before that.

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:26 pm

OK, it was less strange than I thought.

It's RC6 protocol, device 50.

I'm still a little confused by that upgrade. Pid 58 (which the upgrade uses) is RC6. But the 8910 has pid 58 built-in. Your upgrade includes a very different pid 58. By experiment, I can see it also produces RC6. But looking at it, I can't easily see how it produces RC6.

Anyway, you can build a new upgrade in KM or RM using RC6. The EFC numbers are compatible between the two versions.

BUT you can't have both versions of pid 58 in upgrades at once. To use an RC6 upgrade produced by KM or RM, you should:

Delete the protocol upgrade for Protocol $0058 from IR's protocols tab.

Delete (from IR's devices tab) each of the device upgrades that use it: VCR/1340, DVD/0646 and DVD/1818

Install the new upgrade for your DVD.

If you gave it a different setup code than DVD/1818, fix the DVD button on IR's setup tab.

Post by **The Robman** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:30 pm

I just finished decoding this myself (and I see that John beat me to it) but I do concur, this is RC6 device code 50. The difference between the new pid-58 and the old one is that the new one requires that you do most of the bit doubling outside of the executor.

When UEI changes the way an executor works, as they did here, they update their databases in such a way that it looks like all the remotes with the old version of the executor don't have it installed at all, they make no attempt to support both versions like we do in the JP1 world (because they don't value the EEPROM memory as highly as we do).

So, bottom line, it should be totally safe to delete the $0058 protocol upgrade and replace the DVD/1818 upgrade with one that you created using KM or RM.

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:45 pm

The Robman wrote: So, bottom line, it should be totally safe to delete the $0058 protocol upgrade and replace the DVD/1818 upgrade with one that you created using KM or RM.

You don't seem to be using the VCR/1340, and DVD/0646 that they downloaded so you ought to delete them anyway to save upgrade space (keep the .ir file you gave us in case you change your mind and want to restore any of what we're telling you to delete).

To clarify what I said earlier about the conflict of pid 58 versions:
This expands on (doesn't contradict) what Rob just said:

To use any new RC6 upgrade you make with KM or RM you MUST remove the protocol $0058 customer support gave you.

To use any of those three device upgrades customer support gave you (1340, 0646 or 1818) you MUST NOT delete their $0058.

So bottom line: Use KM, delete their $0058 and don't use their three device upgrades.

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