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FM/AM & DVD/VRC discretes for Panasonic SC-HT810V

 
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wbrells



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:18 pm    Post subject: FM/AM & DVD/VRC discretes for Panasonic SC-HT810V Reply with quote

Folks,

The OEM remote control for my Panasonic SC-HT810V "Home Theater" system has buttons for toggling between AM & FM and between DVD & VCR modes. Unfortunately, the lack of discrete commands for these functions makes it more difficult to set up my 8810w (WalMart) remote.

I'm planning to do some experimenting to see if I can find these discrete code. Before starting this (perhaps long) process, though, it would be nice to know if these codes are even likely to exist! Would anyone have any thoughts on whether or not I'm likely to be on a "wild goose" chase?

Thanks,
Wayne
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure the function for DVD vs. VCR is a toggle function? It could be a toggle button on the original remote but a discrete function. Did you learn the command sent by that button on two successive presses of the original remote (to two different keys in the 8810)?

You list that command as 160.0:163. Every other Panasonic device I've seen that has command 160.0:163 has it as the discrete input select for the DVD input (typically they have 160.0:158 as the discrete input select for VCR).

I'd be quite surprised if AM/FM have discretes, and it's a real big field to look for those geese in.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Several devices that have an AM/FM toggle also have discretes for each, but I don't recall if there are Panasonic codes for these. I'd advise taking a look at Elizabeth Deal's spreadsheet of Panasonic codes to see if they're listed.

Like John said, to go looking for discretes with one of these Panasonic devices will take alot of work as there are several device codes and sub-device codes that you'd need to search through.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately, I've confirmed (by programming my 8810w) that device 160.0 with an EFC of 227 is, indeed, a TOGGLE. I also tried your OBC of 158 (=254 EFC) and it does not appear to do anything....

I was going to try a few EFC's around 227, since Power discretes are usually quite close (in EFC value) to the Power toggle command. Perhaps the same "logic" might apply to other discretes... Just a thought.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps some of these OBCs will work in listed or other subdevices:
Code:

144.000:054   VCR:tv/vcr              160.000:159   Cable (TV/DVD/DSS/VCR2)
144.000:192   VCR:input Line1/2/TV   160.000:159   TV                     
144.000:192   VCR:TV/Video            160.000:159   VCR2                   
160.000:005   (input - TV mode)       160.000:159   VCR2 / TV               
160.000:134   VCR/VDP                 160.000:160   VCR3                   
160.000:144   input: PHONO            160.000:162   VDP/TV                 
160.000:146   TUNER/band              160.000:163   DVD                     
160.000:147   MD                      160.000:163   DVD/CD                 
160.000:148   CD                      160.000:163   DVD/VCR                 
160.000:148   DVD/CD                  160.000:170   TAPE MONITOR           
160.000:150   CD5                     160.004:164   INPUT: TUNER / band     
160.000:150   LD                      160.004:164   TUNER/band             
160.000:150   TAPE                    160.004:192   input: CD               
160.000:150   TAPE / CD5              160.004:194   input: TUNER           
160.000:150   TAPE1                   160.008:150   TAPE                   
160.000:150   TV (TAPE MONITOR)       160.018:154   AUX/CD                 
160.000:151   TAPE2                   160.018:156   TV                     
160.000:152   input: DAT               160.018:158   VCR1                   
160.000:152   MD/DCC                  160.018:166   Game/VCR2               
160.000:154   AUX                     160.040:164   TUNER/band             
160.000:156   select TV                160.194:182   CD                     
160.000:158   VCR                     160.194:184   TUNER/band             
160.000:158   VCR1                        
160.000:158   VCR2                       
        

I donít have time right now to reduce this to non-repeating numbers.

Rob taught me here to try numbers around a known OBC not EFC Smile .
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the same list in device code and OBC order, so you can more easily spot the dups...

144:000:054 VCR:tv/vcr
144:000:192 VCR:input Line1/2/TV
144:000:192 VCR:TV/Video

160:000:005 (input - TV mode)
160:000:134 VCR/VDP
160:000:144 input: PHONO
160:000:146 TUNER/band
160:000:147 MD
160:000:148 CD
160:000:148 DVD/CD
160:000:150 CD5
160:000:150 LD
160:000:150 TAPE
160:000:150 TAPE / CD5
160:000:150 TAPE1
160:000:150 TV (TAPE MONITOR)
160:000:151 TAPE2
160:000:152 input: DAT
160:000:152 MD/DCC
160:000:154 AUX
160:000:156 select TV
160:000:158 VCR
160:000:158 VCR1
160:000:158 VCR2
160:000:159 Cable (TV/DVD/DSS/VCR2)
160:000:159 TV
160:000:159 VCR2
160:000:159 VCR2 / TV
160:000:160 VCR3
160:000:162 VDP/TV
160:000:163 DVD
160:000:163 DVD/CD
160:000:163 DVD/VCR
160:000:170 TAPE MONITOR

160:004:164 INPUT: TUNER / band
160:004:164 TUNER/band
160:004:192 input: CD
160:004:194 input: TUNER

160:008:150 TAPE

160:018:154 AUX/CD
160:018:156 TV
160:018:158 VCR1
160:018:166 Game/VCR2

160:040:164 TUNER/band

160:194:182 CD
160:194:184 TUNER/band
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wbrells



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Folks,

Thanks for all the info! I've been out of town for a couple days, so I have not been able to try out any of the functions that you suggested. Hopefully, I'll be able to do some testing this weekend & will keep you posted.

Wayne
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bad news:

- None of the above codes (nor some additional ones that I tried) seem to be the discrete codes needed to select DVD, VCR, AM, or FM.

The good news:

- The DVD mode can be "forced" via a macro that make the DVD the active device and then invokes the DVD "play" command (device 176.0, EFC=055)

- The VCR mode can be "forced" via a macro that make the VCR the active device and then invokes the VCR "play" command (device 144.0, EFC=055)

I still don't have a way to "force" AM or FM, but that isn't too major a problem (for me, anyway).

Wayne
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:09 am    Post subject: Not entirely "discrete", but... Reply with quote

I have the same system (SC-HT810V), using a URC-6131 (JP1-modified) remote w/extender. I also have a Panasonic CT-32HXC43 HDTV with two component inputs and 4 composites, as well as a Comcast/Motorola HDTV cable box/converter.

The short answer is that while I have not been able to find any discrete "VCR" or "DVD" selection codes, in macros I select VCR mode by first sending the FM/AM toggle, then VCR/DVD. ("FM" is always selected first with the "FM/AM" button, and "VCR" is always first with the "VCR/DVD" button).

How do I get the FM/AM code, you ask? Well, I sent my remote in for an upgrade, and got it back with (among others) Audio/Receiver device code 1548. Using this device code, the FM/AM toggle is on the "2" button, and the DVD/VCR button is on the "9" toggle.

I assigned 3 device buttons on the remote to the SC-HT810V:
- The "DVD" button using DVD/VCR code 0490
- The "VCR" button using DVD/VCR code 1162
- The "AUD" button using Audio Receiver code 1548

My "Cable TV" macro contains the following steps:
- Swith the TV to Component Input 1 (from my Cable Box)
- <AUD> <2> <9> (i.e. "FM/AM", followed by "VCR/DVD")
- <VCR> <0> <1> <CH-> (switch to channel 1, then CH- to get auxillary input - i.e. get sound via the RCA plugs between my cable box and the SC-HT810V).


My DVD macro is a little simpler:
- Switch the TV to Component Input 2 (from the SC-HT810V DVD output)
- <DVD> <Play>

Likewise, the VCR macro:
- Switch the TV to Composite Video Input 3 (from the SC-HT810V composite output)
- <VCR> <Play>

My "Radio" macro simply contains:
- <AUD> <2> ("FM/AM" toggle).


I will fool around a little to find out if some of the device codes that came with the original URC-6131 or URC-8811 remotes (both of which I have lying around; the 8811 is identical to your 8810w) can be coerced into providing some of the functionality of the Audio subsystem on the SC-HTxxx series (I believe the SC-HT790V, SC-HT800V, SC-HT810V, SC-HT820V are pretty much identical, with the exception that the 820 also has/needs codes for selecing the active disk in the DVD changer)

Also, if you are interested in the "1548" and other device upgrades I got from Universal Remotes after sending mine in for the upgrade, let me know. I can probably find a way to export them into a format usable by Keymap Master and/or IR.EXE.

For that matter, if you are interested, I can send you my entire .IR file. Although it is specific to the 6131 (with an 8K EPROM and JP1 upgrade -- this particular model can be bought from e.g. Surf Remote; follow the link on the main page of "hifi-remote.com"), you should be able to at least open this file in "IR.EXE" and find the appropriate EFC and HEX commands to control the FM/AM button and other features of the SC-HT810V. (If you happen to have a Panasonic HDTV, you may also be interested in the 128.4 device and the discrete codes for Component Inputs 1 and 2).

In any case, Good Luck!

-tor
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tor,

Thanks ever so much for the detailed description of your configuration! I've worked out a somewhat similar setup for my system which consists of:

- The Panasonic SC-HT810V HT unit
- An older JVC AV-20820 (20") television set
- A "Roady2" satellite radio receiver
- A Technics turntable + Shure magnetic cartridge + external preamp
- An RCA VH-915 video/audio selector w/remote control

I needed the 4-input video/audio selector since the HT810V has only one set of external input jacks (and I need to select between the Roady2 & the turntable).

I'm using the 2K X3 extender for my 8810w remote and have set up the Power key so that a "short press" turns on & configues the currently-selected device (see below) , while a "long press" turns OFF that device. I'm using the following device selection keys:

TV [Device code 1053] - Play TV, with sound coming from a pair of amplified speakers (not the 810V) connected directly to the TV's "audio out" jacks. NOTE: THE TV SPEAKERS ARE PERMANENLY LEFT 'OFF', so I don't worry about them in any of my setup scripts.

DVD [Device code 1520] - Play a DVD or a CD

VCR [Device code 1519] - Play a VCR tape

RCVR/AMP [Device code 1518] - Listen to FM

SAT [Device code 0730] - Listen to an XM Roady2 radio

AUX [No device code needed] - Listen to records

>>>>> Here are the main power up/down macros:

TV + Short Power push macro: Power UP for TV watching -

> Phantom1 - TV discrete power ON
> Phantom4 - Pause
> TV/VID - TV discrete input

TV + Long Power push macro: Power DOWN TV after watching -

> Phantom2 - TV discrete power OFF

RCVR/AMP + Short Power push macro: Power UP for FM listening -

> Shift-4 - Macro to power UP in FM mode (see below)
> 2 - Go to FM channel 2 (my choice)

RCVR/AMP + Long Power push macro: Power DOWN after FM listening -

> X_VCR - Switch to VCR mode
> SHIFT-Phantom2 - Receiver discrete power OFF

SAT + Short Power push macro: Power up for playing XM Roady2 radio -

> Sleep - Toggle video selector power (couldn't find discrete ON)
> Phantom3 - Toggle XM Roady2 power (couldn't find discrete ON)
> L1 - Select video selector input #1
> Shift-6 - Power up receiver & go to AUX input (see below)

SAT + Long Power push macro: Power down after playing XM Roady2 radio -

> Sleep - Toggle video selector power (couldn't find discrete OFF)
> Phantom3 - Toggle XM Roady2 power (couldn't find discrete OFF)
> X_VCR - Switch to VCR mode
> SHIFT-Phantom2 - Receiver discrete power OFF

AUX + Short Power push macro: Power up for playing records -

> Sleep - Toggle video selector power (couldn't find discrete ON)
> L2 - Select video selector input #2
> Shift-6 - Power up receiver & go to AUX input (see below)

AUX + Long Power push macro: Power down after playing records -

> Sleep - Toggle video selector power (couldn't find discrete OFF)
> X_VCR - Switch to VCR mode
> SHIFT-Phantom2 - Receiver discrete power OFF

>>>>> Here are the supporting macros:

Macro Shift-1: Commands to power UP for DVD or VCR playing

> X_VCR - Switch to VCR mode
> SHIFT-Phantom1 - Receiver discrete power ON
> X_TV - Switch to TV mode
> Phantom1 - TV discrete power ON
> Phantom4 - Pause (special macro)
> SHIFT-3 - Turn down TV volume (see below)
> FWD - Video discrete input for TV
> X_Cancel - Return to originally active device (DVD or VCR)
> Play - Trigger DVD (or VCR) mode, depending upon active device

Macro Shift-2: Commands to power DOWN after DVD or VCR playing

> X_VCR - Switch to VCR mode
> SHIFT-Phantom2 - Receiver discrete power OFF
> X_TV - Switch to TV mode
> Phantom2 - TV discrete power OFF

Macro Shift-3: Commands to turn down TV volume -

> VOL- - Turn down (TV) volume
> VOL- - " " "
> VOL- - " " "
> VOL- - " " "
> VOL- - " " "
> VOL- - " " "
> VOL- - " " "
> VOL- - " " "
> VOL- - " " "

Macro Shift-4: Power UP for FM listening -

> X_VCR - Switch to VCR mode
> SHIFT-Phantom1 - Receiver discrete power ON
> X_RCVR - Switch to RCVR mode
> TV/VID - Receiver DVD/VCR command
> PREV - Receiver FM/AM command
> Phantom4 - Pause (special macro)

Macro Shift-6: Power UP for XM radio or record playing -

> X_VCR - Switch to VCR mode
> SHIFT-Phantom1 - Receiver discrete power ON
> Phantom4 - Pause (special macro)
> Play - Force VCR mode (since VCR is currently active device)
> 0 - Go to...
> 2 - channel 2
> CH- - Go down 1 channel to get to AUX input

----------------------------------------------------------

Everything seems to be working well for me, as I gather it is for you. My only regret is that there don't appear to be any JP1 programmable remotes with buttons whose names can be assigned by the program. I know that most high-end remotes provide LCD screens that can be modified, but those remotes don't seem as easy or flexible to program...

Please let me know if you would like any additional details on the above macros, etc.

Best wishes,
Wayne
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