Anyone have JP1 file for Daytron TV - to use with URC 8910

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Anyone have JP1 file for Daytron TV - to use with URC 8910

Post by amex2002us »

As the topic says. Thanks Rob for guiding me to the format:

1. Device: Daytron (don't know model #)
2. Type of device: TV
3. JP1 Remote model: URC 8910
4. JP1 user? Yes
5. Still have original remote? No - but I have other universal remotes that worked.
6. Checked Yahoo file section? Yes
7. Checked Pronto file section (at R/C)? Yes

Additionally, I did manage to use the learning functions to learn power, channel, and volume buttons from other universal remotes (non-JP1). But it would be nice if I did not have to use the learnt buttons on the 8910 instead of power, channel and volume buttons.

Thanks. :)
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If you have the ability to learn some functions from your other universal remotes, this will tell you what protocol and device code(s) are being used, and it will also give you the OBC/EFC info for those particular buttons.

This is enough to get an upgrade started.

If you post that info here, it might be enough for us to determine that this device uses the same signals as another device and we could point you to that upgrade.

Even if it doesn't match any other known devices, it would enable you to try all the other available OBC/EFCs, as long as you are aware of the risks involved with doin gthis with a TV set.
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Post by amex2002us »

Thanks Rob. I checked the codes in IR (Decode section) and the learnt buttons are simply reported as raw data - no obc/efc data was available. I'll post that data when I get home later tonite or Sun (am outta town tomorrow).
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Sorry I could not post sooner. Here's the info from DecoderIR (ver 2.19). All data was raw data apparently except channel down which did not reveal much either since most of the categories were blank. I don't know if diagnostics can help.

Raw Signal Information:

Frequency 37914

Power button: +1106 -1098 +6592 -27068 +1106 -1098 +6592 -124478

Vol up: +1106 -1098 +2188 -2212 +2188 -27070

Vol down: +1106 -1098 +1106 -3290 +2188 -27070

Mute: +1106 -1098 +2188 -1116 +3294 -27066 +1106 -1098 +2188 -1116 +3294 -127776

Channel Up: +1106 -1098 +3294 -1112 +2188 -27072 +1106 -1098 +3294 -1112 +2188 -27072 +1106 -1098 +3294 -1112 +2188 -27072 +1106 -1098 +3294 -1112 +2188 -27072 +1106 -1098 +3294 -1112 +2188 -27072 +1106 -1098 +3294 -1112 +2188 -27072 +1106 -1098 +3294 -1112 +2188 -62952 +1106 -1098 +3294 -1112 +2188 -27072 +1106 -1098 +3294 -1112 +2188 -27072 +1106 -1098 +3294 -1112 +2188 -27072 +1106 -1098 +3294 -1112 +2188 -27072 +1106 -1098 +3294 -1112 +2188 -27072 +1106 -1098 +3294 -1112 +2188 -27072 +1106 -1098 +3294 -1112 +2188 -27072 +1106 -1098 +3294 -1112 +2188 -27072 +1106 -1098 +3294 -1112 +2188 -27072 +1106 -1098 +3294 -1112

Channel down: (in brackets is what appeared under these categories)
#1(1) Protocol Device (Phase Encoded (RC-Type)) Device (blank) Sub-Device (blank) OBC (blank) Hex Cmd (blank) EFC(blank) Misc (5 bits, MSB value = …)

Let me know if this is useful at all and thanks for all your help.
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Re: Anyone have JP1 file for Daytron TV - to use with URC 89

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amex2002us wrote: Additionally, I did manage to use the learning functions to learn power, channel, and volume buttons from other universal remotes (non-JP1).
Do those learned signals actually work? What you posted later looks like it is more probably bad learns.

Anyway we can't learn much about problem signals by looking at a copy of the output from DecoderIr and IR.EXE. We need the whole .ir file (from IR.EXE's file/save command, including several learned signals). And don't post that in a message, upload it to the diagnosis folder and post the URL for that in a message.
amex2002us wrote: But it would be nice if I did not have to use the learnt buttons on the 8910 instead of power, channel and volume buttons.
The 8910 is not actually limited (as the documentation would make you believe) to learning on just the learning buttons. You can learn directly onto most buttons (including channel and volume). Also in IR.EXE you can edit a learned signal's entry to change which button it is on.

I don't recall whether learned signals on the power button work on the 8910 (there's some model where they don't). But on channel and volume I know they do work.

Switching from learned signals to an upgrade would still be better. We might need more than those four signals to figure out enough about the protocol to help you with an upgrade. Can you learn digits? Also make sure you have good batteries in the other remote when learning from it.

Also, what is the other (universal) remote and what setup code is it using? Someone here may know how to use that info to help you.
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Post by amex2002us »

Thanks for the quick response.

1. The learned buttons work perfectly on 8910

2. These were learned from two radioshack universal remotes (non-JP1) - I can post the exact model #s a little later. One of them used code 0039 and another (silghtly older) model used code 172 (not 0172).

3. Can you provide a link to the diagnosis folder. I'll save the .ir file and upload it there and post a url link in my next post.
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If those RS remotes are UEI remotes (which we'll be able to tell from the model numbers) those codes are very useful as they'll tell us exactly what protocol and device codes are being used.
amex2002us wrote:Can you provide a link to the diagnosis folder. I'll save the .ir file and upload it there and post a url link in my next post.
Click on the "File Section" link at the top of this page and you'll find it.
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Post by amex2002us »

The .ir file has been uploaded to the Diagnosis section. Here's the link:

https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=1324

The tip about learning signals to buttons other than 'learn' buttons on 8910 was most helpful - you're right the manual does not mention this (strangely, and I feel its stupid of them not to). It even learnt power on/off to the power button without a problem.

The 2 radioshack universal remotes I learnt the signals from are:

1. Radioshack 4-in-1 model # 15-2135 (this used code 172 for Daytron TV).

2. Radioshack 5-in-1 model # 15-2115 (this used the code 0039; the manual for this remote mentioned code 0019, which incidentally is the same as the code in the 8910 manual - unfortunately 0019 did not work on either remote. Needless to say I tried 0039 on urc8910, along with many other codes, none of which worked).
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Now I think I understand the protocol. Later I'll try to find time to check whether I can match it to one of the UEI executors that we haven't yet matched to a protocol. If not, it should be very easy to make an executor with PB. (But I have a few other things stacked ahead of this).
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Post by The Robman »

The 15-2115 is a UEI remote, so any working codes from this remote are useful to us. The 15-2135 is not a UEI remote, so codes from this remote are not useful (except if someone else has the same remote and can learn the signals from their remote).

For the experts:
TV/0039 = pid: $0013, fixed data "01"
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Post by amex2002us »

Thanks John and Rob. I am a happy camper already since I wanted to assign basic functions (power, vol, channel, mute) to the appropriate buttons on 8910 instead of the Learn buttons. It would be a good learning exercise though to try and figure this out. Just wanted to say no rush if there are other things waiting for your attention.
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Post by amex2002us »

The learnt power button (for TV) does not work in HT mode (learnt vol, mute etc work just fine)- maybe it is a good idea to pursue thsi further; besides this might free up some memory. Again, no rush - take you time and thanx.
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Post by johnsfine »

Do you have RemoteMaster installed?

The easiest way to help you would be to post an upgrade for TV/0039 that you could customize and install.

I prefer using RM (and adding the OBC translation rules to protocols.ini), rather than using KM with manual mode (generic OBC translation rules). But if you have KM rather than RM, someone can give you TV/0039 in a KM .txt file.
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