RMDU for Navigator URC-44000-B02 Incorrect?

kdog38 · Post by **kdog38** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:56 am

Okay, I finally got the FAV key to program but when I download to IR the macro doesn't show up. If I learn the key to my 15-2116 or 15-2117 it only shows the EFC codes. Any other ideas to validate the keymap?

mr_d_p_gumby · Post by **mr_d_p_gumby** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:56 pm

I'm not sure which button is FAV on your remote. If it's not F1, F2 or F3 (the buttons just above the sliding cover), then the remote will not let you program a macro on it. The F1, F2 & F3 keys are what we call "multi-macro" keys; that is, they can each have up to 3 macros assigned to them. These are the only keys that the Navigator will program with setup-995. IR should be able to display the macros on these keys.

Just for reference, the remote wil execute macros on other keys if you create them in IR.

kdog38 · Post by **kdog38** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 4:04 pm

The FAV key is the first key above the sliding cover (i.e. F1). Although it allows me to program it when I download it to IR there is nothing showing in the macro area.

kdog38 · Post by **kdog38** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 8:56 am

Any ideas on why the macro doesn't show up in IR?

mr_d_p_gumby · Post by **mr_d_p_gumby** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:59 pm

OK, I'm finally back from out of town, and I had the opportunity to test this on my Nav44-B02. Indeed, the RDF is incorrect. the buttons should be:

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"next track":"Page Up Arrow"=$2B,
"prev track":"Page Down Arrow"=$2C,
"slow+":Pg+=$2A,
"slow-":Pg-=$2E,

The reason you cannot see the macros in IR is that there is also another mistake in the RDF. In the [General] section, change the AdvCodeAddr item to

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AdvCodeAddr=$01B..$0FB

We'll try to get the RDF updated for the next release. In the meantime, you can edit your copy per the above.

lucindrea · Post by **lucindrea** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:49 pm

speaking of the URC-44CXXXB02 , anyone know how to factory reset this thing? i think i've hosed mine and it would be nice to get it working agin.

lucindrea · Post by **lucindrea** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:55 pm

NM ... setup-997 is the code

Post by **The Robman** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:08 pm

Does the normal 981 reset it also? Be aware though that remotes like the Navigator usually have an OEM code loaded into them to work the device that the remote came with, and doing a reset will wipe out this code.

lucindrea · Post by **lucindrea** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:06 pm

ya the 981 erased anything i put into it so it works .. and yes the cable 0476 is hardcoded into it , resetting doesnt seem to be able to get rid of that , not that i mind much , just means i cant program somthing into the cable button , no big deal as i need the codes for the cable anyway , what i wanted was to be able to put the sound system and dvd player on the same remote

mr_d_p_gumby · Post by **mr_d_p_gumby** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:18 am

Just for reference, the Navigator responds to these special setup codes:

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990 - setup code blink-back
991 - code search
992 - device type change
993 - VPT
994 - key moves
995 - macro entry
980 - clear/reset
981 - mfg reset
997 - cable setup lock
996 - cable channel lock
983 - ?
988 - ?
977 - ?

Post by **The Robman** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:37 am

lucindrea wrote:and yes the cable 0476 is hardcoded into it , resetting doesnt seem to be able to get rid of that , not that i mind much , just means i cant program somthing into the cable button

Just because CBL/0476 is a built in code, doesn't mean that you can't program a different cable code to the CBL button if you were to chose to do so. Some remotes allow the OEM to lock down their code, but I don't believe the navigator is one of them. Even if it were, there would usually be a switch in the EEPROM data that would let you unlock it and often a 9xx command too (usually 977).

In the rare event that it is impossible to change the code assigned to a device button (which I believe is the case with the P&P button on the 15-1925) you can always just add an upgrade with that setup code and it would work.

mr_d_p_gumby · Post by **mr_d_p_gumby** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:14 am

The Robman wrote:Just because CBL/0476 is a built in code, doesn't mean that you can't program a different cable code to the CBL button if you were to chose to do so. Some remotes allow the OEM to lock down their code, but I don't believe the navigator is one of them. Even if it were, there would usually be a switch in the EEPROM data that would let you unlock it and often a 9xx command too (usually 977).

The Navigator does have cable lock, and uses 997 to lock/unlock it (see above). It also has channel lock, which locks the ch+/- & digit keys to the cable device, which you can undo with 996. Both options are shown in IR checkboxes.

The Robman wrote:In the rare event that it is impossible to change the code assigned to a device button (which I believe is the case with the P&P button on the 15-1925) you can always just add an upgrade with that setup code and it would work.

There are no such restrictions on the Navigator.

Post by **The Robman** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:33 am

mr_d_p_gumby wrote:The Navigator does have cable lock, and uses 997 to lock/unlock it (see above). It also has channel lock, which locks the ch+/- & digit keys to the cable device, which you can undo with 996. Both options are shown in IR checkboxes.

I was basing my answer on the current RDFs which don't show any EEPROM controls for this. Does the Navigator not store these settings in the EEPROM, or are our RDFs just incomplete.

The 977 command is used to unlock the OEM mode in the Catalyst remotes (like the ReplayTV and Outlaw Audio remotes). Command 987 is used to restore the OEM codes in these remotes.

mr_d_p_gumby · Post by **mr_d_p_gumby** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:40 am

The Robman wrote:[I was basing my answer on the current RDFs which don't show any EEPROM controls for this. Does the Navigator not store these settings in the EEPROM, or are our RDFs just incomplete.

Yes, they are stored in the EEPROM. The CYC1 (Navigator URC-44000-B02_B04) RDF file currently has settings for VPT, but I guess I've never added the Cable Setup & Channel Lock items.

I'm out of town right now, but when I get home I'll see if I can add these items.

The Robman wrote:The 977 command is used to unlock the OEM mode in the Catalyst remotes (like the ReplayTV and Outlaw Audio remotes). Command 987 is used to restore the OEM codes in these remotes.

Maybe the "cable" series of remotes uses 997 while the OEM series uses 977? This one always confuses me, but 997 is correct for the Navigators; it's even in the manual.

I'm not sure what 983, 988 & 977 do in the Navigators. I know one of them is the magic reset-scrambled-keys command.

mr_d_p_gumby · Post by **mr_d_p_gumby** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:52 am

I've put an updated RDF for the Nav44 B02/B04 here that should fix most of the problems mentioned in this thread (and a few others).

There will still be a few problems with editing the MultiMacros, since IR does not properly support the control byte method used in the non-S3C8 remotes.

Attn Nils: This is good for the next release of RDFs.