Ansio electric fan, not decoded by RMIR

[davecs]

I've posted the learned signals here:

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=26866

There's other stuff that just happened to be on the remote, but the important thing is the Learned Signals tab.

As you can see, RMIR is unable to decode the 4 signals. There are IRP values elsewhere on the page. The fan is in the bedroom, so the ultimate aim is not to get it working on a remote, but on my phone which has an IR blaster. I'm using IRplus on my phone. In the help pages of IRplus, the program's author mentions IRP's but said "I wouldn't use them". To a native English speaker, that indicates advice, but I suspect he means that he hasn't allowed for IRP's to be used in the programming, and there is nothing to indicate how to use IRP's in the help pages.

However there is advice on how to use PRONTO_HEX codes and WINLIRC_RAW in the help pages, can anyone convert these values for me? Or show me how to do it? (I don't have any PRONTO compatible devices.)

Thanks!

[HamburgerHelper1]

In RMIR "options" "set IR decoder" I switched it to "DecodeIR
Then your signals show up as 48- NEC
And from this page
http://www.hifi-remote.com/wiki/index.php?title=48-NEC
If you get a decode whose protocol name is simply "48-NEC" that indicates the learned signal is not complete
I know i have had problems with learning on the 3660 Family of remotes
If you have a different Learning remote you may want to try learning with that

[The Robman]

If your goal is just to get the Pronto hex for these learned signals, RMIR can do that for you. Click on each of the learned signals, in the Learned Signals tab, then click Edit and ensure that the Data Type radio button is set to Pronto.

1
0000 006E 0032 0000 0156 00AB 0016 0040 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040

2
0000 006E 0032 0000 0156 00AB 0016 0040 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040

3
0000 006E 0032 0000 0156 00AB 0016 0040 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0016 0016 0040 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0040 0016 0016 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0016 0016 0040 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0040 0016 0016 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040

4
0000 006E 0032 0000 0156 00AB 0016 0040 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040

Here are the 4 signals converted to binary:
1 0000 006E 0032 0000 0156 00AB 10000000 01111111 11100000 00011111 11100000 00011111 0016 0040
2 0000 006E 0032 0000 0156 00AB 10000000 01111111 11000000 00111111 11000000 00111111 0016 0040
3 0000 006E 0032 0000 0156 00AB 10000000 01111111 11010000 00101111 11010000 00101111 0016 0040
4 0000 006E 0032 0000 0156 00AB 10000000 01111111 11110000 00001111 11110000 00001111 0016 0040

The format does appear to be a 48-bit version of NEC where the obc and its comp are repeated, like this: dev, ~dev, obc, ~obc, obc, ~obc

[davecs]

In RMIR "options" "set IR decoder" I switched it to "DecodeIR
Then your signals show up as 48- NEC
And from this page
http://www.hifi-remote.com/wiki/index.php?title=48-NEC
If you get a decode whose protocol name is simply "48-NEC" that indicates the learned signal is not complete
I know i have had problems with learning on the 3660 Family of remotes
If you have a different Learning remote you may want to try learning with that

Thanks for that! Well I have an OBC and a Hex Command. My problem will now be working out how to put 48-NEC commands in IRplus. I presume that they're not the same as NEC1. I'll do some research and ask again for help if I have to.

[davecs]

If your goal is just to get the Pronto hex for these learned signals, RMIR can do that for you. Click on each of the learned signals, in the Learned Signals tab, then click Edit and ensure that the Data Type radio button is set to Pronto.

Thanks Rob, I didn't know that either!

[The Robman]

I have written an executor to replicate this, but haven't done any testing on it. I have added it to your RMIR file and assigned it to the TV button, if you'd like to test it.

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=26867

[davecs]

I have written an executor to replicate this, but haven't done any testing on it. I have added it to your RMIR file and assigned it to the TV button, if you'd like to test it.

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=26867

Not sure what this means, but I'll have a look anyway. Meanwhile...

SUCCESS! I now have the IR blaster on the phone working the fan in the bedroom! The Pronto format required in the XML file is exactly how RMIR displays it on the Learned Signals page. It's relatively simple to program RC5 codes into IRplus, and NEC1 codes are only slightly more complicated, but there's always Pronto Hex to fall back on, for more complex stuff.

The equipment in the living room is best controlled by a URC remote control, but other bits around the home can be controlled with the phone using IRplus. But my trusty learning remotes and RMIR are still needed to capture the signals to get Pronto formats!

Note to Randy: URC3661 fully captured the signals, there were no bits missing.

Thanks everyone for your help.

[davecs]

I have written an executor to replicate this, but haven't done any testing on it. I have added it to your RMIR file and assigned it to the TV button, if you'd like to test it.

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=26867

I've clicked on Download several times and nothing's happening!

[Barf]

Here is a fairly straight-forward procedure to generate the irplus configuration.

1. Open the file containing the learned codes in RMIR.
2. Make sure Options -> Advanced -> Learned signal timing analysis is checked. Got to Learned Signals. Press Timing Summary. Press Save on the popup. Save to a Girr file with an arbitrary name.
3. Open IrScrutinizer. Select the Import / Girr pane. Import the file you created in #2. Press "Import all/raw". Answer either OK or Cancel to the popup.
4. Goto the Export pane and select "irplus" as export format. Deselect Auto-generate file names (optional). Press "Export raw remote", and select a suitable file name for the export.
5. Load the file you generated in #4 in your irplus.

Let me know if there are problems.

[Barf]

I took a look at why the learned signals do not decode. The file from #2 above (ansio-fan-raw.girr) was put through IrpTransmogrifier,

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irptransmogrifier decode  --girrinput ansio-fan-raw.girr            
1: No decodes.
2: No decodes.
3: No decodes.
4: No decodes.

so right, no decodes. (--girrinput is only available in the development build (since January this year). not in 1.2.13 which is included in the latest RMIR and IrScrutinizer.) Turn out that the signals have very short leadout (that is the last duration, a gap) of 1708 micro seconds, as opposed to the nominal 48-nec leadout of around 50 milliseconds (^ 108m to be exact). Extending this -- and it decodes nicely. There is a user settable parameter, min-leadout, in IrpTransmogrifier; setting this makes the decoding succeed:

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irptransmogrifier --min-leadout 1700 decode  --girrinput ansio-fan-raw.girr
1:      48-NEC: {D=1,F=7,E=7}, beg=0, end=99
2:      48-NEC: {D=1,F=3,E=3}, beg=0, end=99
3:      48-NEC: {D=1,F=11,E=11}, beg=0, end=99
4:      48-NEC: {D=1,F=15,E=15}, beg=0, end=99

Graham: this parameter can be set with DecoderParameters.setMinimumLeadout(Double). What do you think? Changing globally or making user settable (like frequencyTolerance)?

[The Robman]

I have written an executor to replicate this, but haven't done any testing on it. I have added it to your RMIR file and assigned it to the TV button, if you'd like to test it.

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=26867

I've clicked on Download several times and nothing's happening!

Have you ever downloaded files from this site before? I just checked the link to make sure that I hadn't done anything wrong, and it works.

When you get the file, it's your RMIR file except that I have added an upgrade for your fan and assigned it to the TV button. So the ask is, for you to temporarily load this RMIR file to your remote and see if the 1,2,3,4 buttons in TV mode work the fan. Are the buttons on the fan remote also labeled 1,2,3,4?

[davecs]

Have you ever downloaded files from this site before? I just checked the link to make sure that I hadn't done anything wrong, and it works.

When you get the file, it's your RMIR file except that I have added an upgrade for your fan and assigned it to the TV button. So the ask is, for you to temporarily load this RMIR file to your remote and see if the 1,2,3,4 buttons in TV mode work the fan. Are the buttons on the fan remote also labeled 1,2,3,4?

Strange. Never had this problem before. I always use Vivaldi in Linux. Maybe it's the latest version, or maybe my privacy settings. I tried Firefox instead and it downloaded just fine!

The buttons on the actual original remote are:

1 - Fan Speed
2 - Fan On/Off
3 - Timer
4 - "Natural" -- causes air to "gust" gently rather than be constant.

I don't need it on the 3661 remote, but I will test it and report back.

Thanks.

[davecs]

Have you ever downloaded files from this site before? I just checked the link to make sure that I hadn't done anything wrong, and it works.

When you get the file, it's your RMIR file except that I have added an upgrade for your fan and assigned it to the TV button. So the ask is, for you to temporarily load this RMIR file to your remote and see if the 1,2,3,4 buttons in TV mode work the fan. Are the buttons on the fan remote also labeled 1,2,3,4?

Strange. Never had this problem before. I always use Vivaldi in Linux. Maybe it's the latest version, or maybe my privacy settings. I tried Firefox instead and it downloaded just fine!

The buttons on the actual original remote are:

1 - Fan Speed
2 - Fan On/Off
3 - Timer
4 - "Natural" -- causes air to "gust" gently rather than be constant.

I don't need it on the 3661 remote, but I will test it and report back.

Thanks.

Works perfectly!!

[davecs]

Here is a fairly straight-forward procedure to generate the irplus configuration.

1. Open the file containing the learned codes in RMIR.
2. Make sure Options -> Advanced -> Learned signal timing analysis is checked. Got to Learned Signals. Press Timing Summary. Press Save on the popup. Save to a Girr file with an arbitrary name.
3. Open IrScrutinizer. Select the Import / Girr pane. Import the file you created in #2. Press "Import all/raw". Answer either OK or Cancel to the popup.
4. Goto the Export pane and select "irplus" as export format. Deselect Auto-generate file names (optional). Press "Export raw remote", and select a suitable file name for the export.
5. Load the file you generated in #4 in your irplus.

Let me know if there are problems.

Wow. Yes that works. Just needs a tiny amount of tweaking with button sizes etc but I can do that within irplus. Thanks!

If I wanted to do this with one of my regular RMDU files, i.e., not learned signals, could I? How would I go about it if so?

[davecs]

P.S. I can download from the Files section using Vivaldi but instead of clicking on Download I have to right click on it and download it using the menu that pops up. I'll remember that next time!