Problems using 1.3 extender with Insignia 67100

jeajea · Post by **jeajea** » Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:54 am

1 The remote sends the wrong commands to the Roku
Using Roku official. Learns show GI cable prot
All other devices I have tried work.
Note, this is the only device I use that requires a protocol upgrade

A download from the remote shows the non-extended signature but
the macros still work

I suspect something is getting overwritten
I also tried a second remote – same problems

Using
commom JP 1.3 extender version 3.05
rmir c2.09 build 8
I also tried
rmir v2.08 build 7

I am building a new rmir file for 3.05.
I have a 3.03 version that works including the Roku on a different remote

my 3.05 rmir file

https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=25859

unclemiltie · Post by **unclemiltie** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:08 pm

Is the extender activated? When you activated it did you see 4 blinks?

I don't quite understand why a download shows a signature for an unextended remote. Go to the raw data tab and look at what is in location 7FE and report back.

I used to use the common extender on an RCA with my roku 2 and had no issues.

jeajea · Post by **jeajea** » Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:54 am

The extender is activated and for what I have tested all of my devices work except the Roku.
I got 4 blinks when I activated.
7FE = 03
7FF = 05
I have another remote with V3.03 installed that the Roku works
Here is the download 3,05 rmir file.

https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=25878

The download is from an AOC 67100. I also have a NS-RC05A-11

Note: the custom protocol doesn’t show up om the protocols tab on either 3,03 or 3.05.
In the download dev1 has the wrong setup code and macros and special function are missing

I created another RMIR file with the Roku.
Deactivated the extender on the RC05A – got four blinks
981 reset on the RC05A
Uploaded a clean nonextended file to the RC05A
Uploaded the file without the extender to the RC05A
Activated the extender 4 blinks
All other devices still work

jeajea · Post by **jeajea** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:34 am

The problem with the Roku is that the setup code for device 1 has changed to 0476 (in the down load from the remote).

I decided to try starting with a clean install of the extender and the Roku and the Roku worked.
I added the TV and it still worked.
Added the HDMI switches and it still works
Added Media center upgrade and it still works.

My next step is to start adding the macros and special functions.

I don’t understand how an error in my programming could modify device 1 setup code and change the signature.

jeajea · Post by **jeajea** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:23 am

I believe the problem is interruptible pause (which is enabled by default)

The TV needs a 9.5 second delay after off to on before it will accept addition commands.
I was use TV shift-phantom1 for a 9.5 second pause. I have also tried phantom 7.
TV discrete-on is a toadtog 1 force on that calls the pause for off to on.
When TV discrete on calls the pause the setup code for device one is over written and the remote signature is changed.

If I set interruptible pause disabled the problem goes away.

I checked my extender 3.03 file and interruptible pause is disabled.

This appears to be a problem with the extender.

jeajea · Post by **jeajea** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:46 am

Upon further testing even with interruptible pause disabled the signature is changed (but device 1 setup isn’t changed).

unclemiltie · Post by **unclemiltie** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:03 pm

The only real difference between 3.03 and 3.05 is the key value definitions in the RDF's to make things consistent between remotes and to fix a bug in the RDF that over-wrote real keys in some remotes.

This all happened in the Phantoms so Wonder if you are using one of the ones that changed and it's no longer the key you thought it was?

jeajea · Post by **jeajea** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:57 pm

I started by installing the new extender into a clean (empty) un-extended rmir file.
I then load each rmdu file added it to the remote and saved it to a different directory.
I also manually entered the macros, special functions and key moves.
I did not try converting a 3.03 rnir file.
I will try use a real key for the pause.
Note that I am currently working with a simpler setup that only has the TV, Roku, media center and
HDMI switches. I cold upload it if that would help

jeajea · Post by **jeajea** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:21 pm

I put the pause on the unshifted TV pict button and in still overwrites the
remote signature when it is called.

The revision history indicates you made changes in 3.04 to fix interruptible pause.

unclemiltie · Post by **unclemiltie** » Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:28 pm

I'm going to have to go look at the code and see what I did.

Been a bit busy as I own a retail store in PA and this Covid stuff is causing all kinds of havoc. Will try to get to it when I can get to it.

If one of the experts wants to take a look, LMK and I can send you the code

unclemiltie · Post by **unclemiltie** » Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:50 pm

Well, I can't find my Insignia remote. I know I have one around here somewhere but I've moved since I last saw it.

the remote will reset the signature if it thinks something has gone wrong and does a full reset. But that also erases the E2 area of the unextended remote so I'm not quite sure what else is missing when that happens. I need to load up your configuration into my remote and try to see what happened.

There was no code changes in 3.04, I think I fixed the interrupible pause in 3.03 from looking at the assembly code. I'll take another look once I dig up the remote and see what h happens when I load up your configuration.

jeajea · Post by **jeajea** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:50 am

First take care of yourself and family.
I have uploaded my simpler version.

https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... e_id=25910

To duplicate the sig overwrite
Upload my file to the remote
Press TV
Download from the remote
If you can’t find your remote I could send you one.

unclemiltie · Post by **unclemiltie** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:51 am

can you try prior versions of the extender and see if they do this? That will help me since I can do a code difference on those versions to see what changed.

meanwhile, I'm still searching for my remote

jeajea · Post by **jeajea** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:24 am

I don’t see the sig overwrite with 3.03
My working 3.03 file

www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?ac ... e_id=25911

this is a fully loaded file that use multiplex for 10 devices plus the two HDMI switches.

jeajea · Post by **jeajea** » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:56 am

Note
The pause is called from the off to on leg of a toad tog force on.
I have not tried calling a pause directly from a macro.

The reason for the pause and the toad tog is that the TV only requires a delay when going from off to on.
If the TV is on the delay is uneccessay.