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Fire TV IR via Onkyo - works!

 
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MrMoody



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:11 pm    Post subject: Fire TV IR via Onkyo - works! Reply with quote

I got an Amazon Fire TV stick for Christmas, which is nice because I have a Prime account but I had no way to watch that directly on the home theater.

As most of you may know, the Fire TV stick is bluetooth control only, and comes with a sad little bluetooth remote that doesn't perform all that well, presumably due to signal/path issues.

I plugged it into one of the HDMI inputs on my Onkyo TX-NR709 receiver and it works fine except for having to juggle two remotes and the remote signal issues (mainly sluggishness).

So I dug around Google for IR solutions and discovered the stick supports CEC. After some more digging and trying more obvious things that didn't work, I found the tab in the Onkyo code list labeled "BD (via RIHD)."

These codes operate the Fire TV, including all functions from the original and some others that aren't, and much more snappily than the bluetooth remote.

I have posted an upgrade at http://hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=25038 . In theory, the functions should operate any CEC capable input device to a greater or lesser degree. "HDMI Control" must be enabled under the receiver main setup menu>Hardware setup>HDMI. When you exit the menu you'll briefly see "Searching" then "Player" "Fire TV Stick" on the receiver display.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great find. CEC control of Fire Stick works pretty with my Sony, Toshiba and Vizio TVs as well since they have a full set of nav, transport and menu commands.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just in case some are looking for other ways to go about controlling their FireTV and other streaming devices with USB ports, you can also just buy an MCE remote like the one linked below. The IR dongle that comes with it will allow you to control your Fire TV and many other streaming devices with a USB port with your JP1 Remote. I just learned the relevant keys and it works perfectly. This also adds some new remote functions that are not available on oem remote.

https://www.amazon.com/Windows-Control-Infrared-Receiver-Ultimate/dp/B00224ZDFY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1514697580&sr=8-2&keywords=mce+remote


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, but I'm missing how this works. How does it go from dongle to stick? PC required? Does it use Bluetooth or the WiFi network to connect to the stick?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Interesting, but I'm missing how this works.
The USB plugs into the back of the Fire (not all Fire TVs have the USB plug). The ir dongle receives the IR and converts it to keyboard commands (as though a USB keyboard were plugged into the Fire).

EDIT: I just re-read your original post and realized you have the Fire TV stick, which does not have the USB plug that is on the Fire TV gen 1.

You can achieve the same thing with FLIRC. Since there is no cord on the FLIRC and the USB plug is on the back of the Fire, you either need a short USB extension cord or instead I used a small mirror like THIS just behind the Fire to reflect the IR signal to the FLIRC. The CEC solution is more elegant if you can make to work.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pH7_jp1 wrote:
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Interesting, but I'm missing how this works.
The USB plugs into the back of the Fire (not all Fire TVs have the USB plug). The ir dongle receives the IR and converts it to keyboard commands (as though a USB keyboard were plugged into the Fire).

EDIT: I just re-read your original post and realized you have the Fire TV stick, which does not have the USB plug that is on the Fire TV gen 1.

You can achieve the same thing with FLIRC. Since there is no cord on the FLIRC and the USB plug is on the back of the Fire, you either need a short USB extension cord or instead I used a small mirror like THIS just behind the Fire to reflect the IR signal to the FLIRC. The CEC solution is more elegant if you can make to work.


I made the edits. Thanks for the heads up.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The stick does have a micro USB jack, which I had assumed is for power only, which may or may not be true. Even if it would work, it would still have to supply 5W of power some way.

The CEC requires no other equipment/wiring and works great. It's just odd the way Onkyo uses a different code set for CEC control vs the standard codes that the receiver uses. I wasn't even able to get the original remote to do it, although I assume there must be some device code for it. I can see the logic in doing it this way though, it allows more commands without conflicting with the receiver menus/power etc.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the IR dongle only works on the Fire TV box, not the Stick. Your CEC solution is the best way to control a stick.

I've found that my Ortek IR dongles work as well as the MCE ones for a Fire TV Box, and they're a lot smaller than most MCE dongles. FLIRC is of course the most flexible since you can use any codes you wish.
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