Need help disabling power function for each device on 8910

davec · Post by **davec** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:24 am

I just got a Shift-Power set up to turn on (and Off) my TV and Stereo receiver. First thing the wife says is "Why can't I just hit the Power button?"

So, I've been trying to make the power function for each device a Shift-Power and researve the one-click Power for the above macro.

How can I disable the built-in power function on each device or change it to a Shift-Power function?

Dave (OFA 8910)

e34m5 · Post by **e34m5** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 8:54 am

I think the only way to do that is with an extender and the Long Key Press protocol.

It appears you are just starting with JP1 so I recommend you read the info on the 8910 extender and then go from there.

davec · Post by **davec** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 9:45 am

While I'm definately not an expert, I am trying to figure out the extender (that's what I'm working in and why I posted to the Extender group). In fact I was just trying to figure out the LKP code. I'm confused about the instructions. I know X_TV is a temporary device selection, but how do I find out the Hex command for it? Would I be better off creating a macro on a Phantom key? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Dave

jon_armstrong · Post by **jon_armstrong** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 9:50 am

If you are trying to program the power toggle command to the shift power key for each device. Go here to get the EFC for the Power button for the applicable setup codes and in IR use key moves to move those EFC's to the shift-power key.

davec · Post by **davec** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:13 am

Since I have all my devices programed in already, I have the Power function code for each. After I key-move the power for each device to shift-power, I'd like to have a macro on the power key (not shifted or double or long) to turn on/off several devices (tv and amp). Can that be done globally? Sorry if this is newbie stuff, but where else can I get answers?

Dave

jon_armstrong · Post by **jon_armstrong** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:22 am

By definition, if you assign a macro to the Power button it will work in all modes (globally). If you do a key move it only will be moved to one key in one device.

BTW, in the 8910/9910 you can assign a macro to a device key or shifted device key, you can use the device button within the macro in it's normal context without looping.

Do you have discrete power and input commands? If so you could try a macro on the device key. You can also assign a macro to a shifted device key.

Post by **The Robman** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:23 am

By default, functions that are part of an upgrade or a built in setup code are automatically programmed to BOTH the shifted and non-shifted versions of the buttons. Therefore, even if you program a keymove or macro on the non-shifted version of the button, the original function is still on the shifted version.

So, if you program your macro to the POWER button, it will mean that the non-shifted POWER button will work it in all modes. Even without you programming any additional keymoves, the shifted POWER buttons will still work the power function for each device.

jon_armstrong · Post by **jon_armstrong** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:30 am

The Robman wrote:By default, functions that are part of an upgrade or a built in setup code are automatically programmed to BOTH the shifted and non-shifted versions of the buttons. Therefore, even if you program a keymove or macro on the non-shifted version of the button, the original function is still on the shifted version.

I guess I was sleeping in class when that was covered. Just when you thought you understood the basics about these little remotes ...

davec · Post by **davec** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:47 am

Thanks Jon and robman. I give those ideas a try and see what happens.

Dave

e34m5 · Post by **e34m5** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:51 am

I've uploaded my config file HERE.

This has a lot of LKP's set up to do what you need. However to use this file you need the IRBETA located here. The beta will convert your file to the new format and save the current onw with a .OLD extesion, so you can always go back if needed.

Pay close attention to the way the Ph3 and Ph4 are used in conjuction with the macros. Therein lies the trick

This beta supports building the Special Protocols as well as being able to add notes to various sections.

If you have question please ask.

Oops. Forgot to mention that this is for a 8810w but the concepts are all the same.

davec · Post by **davec** » Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:47 am

Very nice Paul! I love this IRBeta! ALMOST idiot proof!

I have figured out most of your txt file, but still have a couple of questions.

What is the purpose of the T, V, C, M, P, O Devices in Other Settings on the General tab? Similarly, how do these letters function with the RCVR/AMP and Home_Theater Macros? What do those macros do?

Dave

e34m5 · Post by **e34m5** » Sat Apr 10, 2004 5:27 pm

Ok in an extender you have to control everything. So for any device or in this case RCVR/AMP you have top tell it what buttons it will work with. Read the extender info and you'll see what I mean.

Similarly the Home_Theater in this case is set up to T_DVD (this is so the transport keys work with the DVD). V_RCVR(volume works with the receiver). C_CBL (channel keys work with the cabel box).

So the bottom line is that when pressing HT those are the devices that will work with the defined keys.

In the general tab you can set what device to associate with a particular set of keys. This becomes the default unless you change it in a macro.

Hope this helps.

davec · Post by **davec** » Sat Apr 10, 2004 6:45 pm

Thanks again. I hadn't heard of that short cut lable for the various sets of keys. I thought you set them by naming the device (DEV_CBL) and then SET_TRANS_KEYS.

I assume that M_ represents the number keys?

e34m5 · Post by **e34m5** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:02 am

Not all extenders were set up the same way. I believe the 8910's use the SET_ format. But it's basically the same thing. Use whatever is listed for your model.

stevendlutz · Post by **stevendlutz** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 4:53 am

Gentlemen,

I have been following this thread for a couple days now. It has been very informative and helpful (thanks Paul for IRbeta, I really like the special protocalls button). I have used it to set LKPs for each of my devices, a short press of the power button turns that device off, a long press of the power button turns everything off. I have a brand new 8910, and I am brand new to JP1.
I am now trying to set an LKP for each device button I use. This includes TV, VCR, DVD, RCVR/AMP, CD. I would like a short press of each button set the remote to that mode and turn that device on. I would like a long press to turn everything on that is required to operate that device (i.e. long press of the DVD button turns on DVD, turns on RCVR/AMP, sets RCVR/AMP input to DVD, turns on TV and sets TV input to Video 1). However, I would like these buttons to do this no matter what mode the remote is in. I know that macros are not device specific, but I assign my LKPs as keymoves which require a bound key device. Do I have to set up these 25 LKPs to satisy my requirements?

1. LPK on TV button with bound device = TV
2. LPK on VCR button with bound device = TV
.
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6. LPK on TV button with bound device = VCR
.
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25. LPK on CD button with bound device = CD

Or is there a way to do this with just 5 LKPs?

Aside, I have a DISCRETE ON and DISCRETE OFF for all my devices so I haven't had to use a TOADTOG yet. This is good because I can just imagine my wife pointing the remote in the wrong direction (I have to point it pretty carefully to make sure the IR signal reaches all my components) and pressing a button that would get the TOADTOG out of sync, then not remembering (or not caring to remember) how to get it back in sync. The aside is this, I have a Denon DVD-1000 which does not have DISCRETE ON or DISCRETE OFF commands built in. However, PLAY will turn the device on, if it's off, so it acts like a DISCRETE ON and PLAY. Thus, PLAY is my DISCRETE ON (I also have to press STOP if I just want it to turn on) and PLAY (short delay) POWER is my DISCRETE OFF. Perhaps others have figured this out, I just thought I would share it because it felt like a revelation to me. I am sure this works with more than just the DVD-1000.

Thanks, Steven

p.s. Dave the M keys are the menu keys. The C keys include the numbers.