RMIR Simpleset Support

[tranx]

Tried a double press of a number button after shift/list but presumably this has not been implemented?

...I think you misunderstand how to shift a digit button. It is not "Shift, digit, repeat digit", it is "Shift, Shift again, digit".

If this is not the issue in question, can you give more detail on what you think should happen, but doesn't?

Thank you.

You are right that I wasn't sure if it was "Shift, Shift again, digit", which was first tried, and which I have now tried again, but did not work, as follows.

The shift-hold to get to list works fine, and shift, coloured button issues a command allocated to a shifted colour button works fine too, but e.g. with command 2 allocated to the shifted position on button #2, also with a DSM on button #2:-

In device mode, 'Shift, Shift again, digit#2' seems to do nothing, but maybe the shifted numbers should not be expected to work in that situation?

In activity mode, I find that 'Shift, Shift again, #2' also does nothing, or sometimes changes the remote from activity mode to device mode.

I thought that might also somehow result from the presence of the DSM on #2, but removing it has not helped.

[tranx]

...If the list command has been allocated to the shift-list position, and list is pressed again within 10 seconds, the list-command is issued, as would be expected. If List-hold period were to be extended, or even omitted, perhaps this offers an option for an even quicker list-command by doing a double press of the list button. I can see that press and hold could be useful for other things, is that where x-shift might come in?

I don't fully understand this. Double pressing shift button shouldn't execute Shift-List function...

point taken, it's just that it does if list is allocated to the shift-list position

...I haven't tried it but I think that Shift-List can be executed by pressing shift (list) and then pressing it again and holding it....

I think it is just pressing and holding it (provided that the List command has been allocated to the list button in the device upgrade)

...But be careful because there is a little "problem" with all press and hold buttons: if you press the list button twice very quickly and then hold on the second time you actually enter Setup mode .

thanks, I didn't realize that....

..But you can achieve this the same way as I described above with the list button. Press it quickly two times and hold down on second time.

Understood.

b.t.w. global macros do work, in addition to the new dsms.

Following a double press of List, do you find that any commands on shifted number buttons work ok?

[yaworski]

tranx I haven't tested shifted digit buttons yet. I'll try that today after work.

BTW why do you assign List function to Shift-List? Is there some specific reason? It's faster to just hold the List button for List. Unless you have some macro already on the List button of course.

BTW2 I think that I've missed some info about DSM on our remotes.

[tranx]

...BTW why do you assign List function to Shift-List? Is there some specific reason? It's faster to just hold the List button for List...

Just playing around but that result raised a question as to whether, given shift, a long press was somehow essential, having in mind that the long press function would thus be 'used up' on the shift button.

...Unless you have some macro already on the List button of course...

Interesting you say that because, with OARUSB04G and two of our different PVR devices, their list functions do not work normally, so they each have a DSM on their List buttons to make them work properly.

[mathdon]

I can confirm that shifted digits do not work. I will investigate. Unfortunately I had tested shifted non-digits, and that shift + 5 digits sends the signal with that EFC, but not shift+shift+digit.

I think that I've missed some info about DSM on our remotes.

DSMs work with the URC-6440 as supplied. It is not something I have added, but I don't know if the 9xx command to set them up works. To set up a DSM in RMIR, select the Special Functions tab and press New. The "Type" drop-down should already display "DSM" as that is the only special function available on this remote. The boxes to complete are self-explanatory.

Edit:

But be careful because there is a little "problem" with all press and hold buttons: if you press the list button twice very quickly and then hold on the second time you actually enter Setup mode

This is an unintended side-effect. I can probably stop this happening and it might even be related to why Shift+Shift doesn't work. I will look into it, as I see no benefit in leaving it as it is. Any change would not affect the short press + long press behaviour of the SkipFwd/Back keys, which gives a long emission of the short-press signal (if that makes sense ).

[mathdon]

I have found why Shift+Shift+Digit doesn't work. It is a bug in the extender, and I see how to put it right. I'll post a revised version in a day or so, but there are a few other things I want to investigate first.

[tranx]

I have found why Shift+Shift+Digit doesn't work. It is a bug in the extender, and I see how to put it right. I'll post a revised version in a day or so, but there are a few other things I want to investigate first.

Thanks for the update mathdon

...DSMs work with the URC-6440 as supplied. It is not something I have added, but I don't know if the 9xx command to set them up works...

It was because the 9xx command to set up DSMs doesn't work, that your discovery that DSMs were recognised, and then somehow getting the DSM option to appear in RMIR, were so very welcome

[yaworski]

Graham, do I think correctly that you didn't take into account that next press on List/Shift button reports different key number (+128)? That would explain why next press on the button actually executes shifter List function.

Thanks for the clarification on DSM. I really don't know how I could miss this :).

[tranx]

...next press on List/Shift button reports different key number (+128)? That would explain why next press on the button actually executes shifter List function..

I don't know what key number might be reported, but think that at present the 2nd press on the shift/list button executes a shift-list function only if the command List has been allocated to the shift-list position in the upgrade.

This would seem as expected for other non-numeric buttons to function in shifted mode, corresponding to the intention that another function would be executed if shift were to be pressed once, then followed within ten seconds by pressing another button which had a command allocated to its shift position.

I suppose that to work properly, the second press of shift needs to be recognised as a special case, (sort-of 'if:then...') which could conditionally then 'go to...', and wait for number buttons to be pressed within a certain time, while ignoring any non-digit buttons.

[mathdon]

Graham, do I think correctly that you didn't take into account that next press on List/Shift button reports different key number (+128)? That would explain why next press on the button actually executes shifter List function.

No, that's not how it works. The keypad scan always reports the same value, but this can be modified by code later on. The patch I put in that transforms a short List into a Shift always sees the raw List value, even after the first Shift. I put the patch in the wrong place, a place that is skipped when the flag set by the first Shift is set.

[jsmithee]

You can. Just put a macro on them.

I wish I could but it has no effect whatsoever on this remote (urc 7990). It's quirky to say the least.

I think I may have to copy my brother and get a xsight plus, it's 10 times the remote this is and only £25 from pixmania.

[mathdon]

I think I may have to copy my brother and get a xsight plus, it's 10 times the remote this is and only £25 from pixmania.

Everyone to their own taste, but if I were you I would move from the URC-7990 (which I have and find unusable) to the URC-6440 rather than the XSight Plus. I have an XSight Lite, very similar to the Plus, and find its menu system fiddly to use. I far prefer the URC-6440, which I think is the best remote from UEI for a long time.

[jsmithee]

Thanks for the tip mathdon, I'm persevering with this 7990 for now (hoping for firmware that will never come), but when I decide to chuck it 6440 is next.

I've come from a Logitech 555 which I used for years until it wore out and have realised these one for alls are much better because of RMIR.

[CyberSimian]

I have an XSight Lite, very similar to the Plus, and find its menu system fiddly to use.

Agreed (but I still prefer the Lite/Plus over the Touch/Colour).

I far prefer the URC-6440, which I think is the best remote from UEI for a long time.

The one aspect of the URC-6440 that I dislike is that it does not have separate buttons for fast-forward/back and skip-forward/back; I think that these are short-press and long-press on the same buttons? How do you find that in practice?

The remote that I am currently using is the URC-7140 "Essence 4"; it has very nice buttons. Disadvantages are: requires the usual (special) cable to program (not a standard USB cable), device selection is a "cycle" button, and the transport controls would be better nearer the center, rather than at the bottom of the remote (but one gets used to this).

-- from CyberSimian in the UK

[tranx]

I far prefer the URC-6440, which I think is the best remote from UEI for a long time.

The one aspect of the URC-6440 that I dislike is that it does not have separate buttons for fast-forward/back and skip-forward/back; I think that these are short-press and long-press on the same buttons? How do you find that in practice?...

The long press works after only about a second, but for something which may often need to be repeated like skip fwd/skip back we use button 1/3, being just below Rew/FFwd, reserving the 2xLKPs for macros for picture sizes 4:3/16:9. Those happen to be available as discretes for our Samsung TV but e.g. it makes them universal in device mode which can be used exclusively, thanks to DSMs Shifts and Keymoves. Reckon it's the enhanced flexibility, with fewer buttons and excellent layout, that make 6440 so easy to use. It's actually the first of many which my better half prefers to her Harmony 650
...what do I know but just trying to save mathdon so he can get on with the magic!