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pwrmac7100



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:52 am    Post subject: Ceton Echo (WMC Extender) Reply with quote

1. Device: Ceton Echo
2. Type of device: Windows Media Center Extender
3. Year: 2012
4. JP1/UEI Remote model: URC-8910
5. Do you have a JP1 cable? Yes
6. Still have original remote? Yes
7. Checked the file section? Yes
8. Checked Pronto file section (at R/C)? Yes
9. Partially working setup code? Yes
10. Learning remote question? Sort Of
11. Have you tried the JP1 Lookup Tool? Yes

NOTE - I usually use the learning function to create my own codes. However, half the functions show up with an error ("This signal contains a section that IR doesn't know how to analyze"...IR v8.03) with everything highlighted in red. I can't find any help on this error either.
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pwrmac7100



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:58 am    Post subject: Ceton Echo (WMC Extender) Reply with quote

I am using my URC-8910's learning function with the Ceton Echo (WMC Extender). However, half the functions show up with an error ("This signal contains a section that IR doesn't know how to analyze"...IR v8.03) with everything highlighted in red. I can't find any help on this error either.

Here is the Select Key:
Freq:35874 BiPhase:No
+974 -2594 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -884 +446 -884 +1030 -1192 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +750 -584 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -884 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +778 -998 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +778 -998 +446 -442 +446 -442 +778 -998 +446 -69366 +1308 -2244 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -884 +446 -884 +918 -1304 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +446 -442 +668 -666

Can anyone advise me on how to get through this?
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3FG
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learn as many signals as you can into memory, including the digit buttons. Make a note with each signal listing its function. Save this to an IR file and post it in the Diagnosis Area of the File Section. It is much easier to work on a protocol with lots of separate signals. Also, the digit buttons frequently have consecutive OBCs, and that makes deciphering a protocol easier.
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pwrmac7100



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have posted the IR files to the diagnostic area. Sorry, my remote only has enough memory for 13 buttons at a time, so there are 3 files there.

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=11758
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=11759
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=11760
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xnappo has made an echo upgrade already but hasn't posted it yet. My understanding is it's identical to other MCE upgrades.
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3FG
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, these learns have problems. But likely mdavej is correct--these signals seem to be ordinary MCE protocol, and a standard Windows Media Center upgrade will probably work.

One thing is different. Ordinary MCE looks like
Code:
{36k,444,msb}<-1,1|1,-1>(6,-2,1:1,6:3,-2,2,OEM1:8,OEM2:8,T:1,D:7,F:8,^107m)+
and many of the learned signals do follow this pattern for the first frame of a signal. However, the second and subsequent frames have a different lead in
Code:
{36k,444,msb}<-1,1|1,-1>(2,-6,1:1,6:3,-2,2,OEM1:8,OEM2:8,T:1,D:7,F:8,^107m)+
I don't know if this would matter, or if the difference is actually real.

I wonder if the learning remote has fresh batteries? The learns which don't decode have missing burst pairs, or grossly wrong durations. Also, Scan2.ir and Scan1.ir have identical E2 contents. Only the note section is different. Anyway, try an existing upgrade. If the upgrade doesn't work, we probably need better learns to find out what is different to the MCE protocol.
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pwrmac7100



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mdavej is correct...I was able to use a MCE protocol to get it working. Thank you both.
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xnappo
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep meaning to upload an upgrade for this - but the WMC upgrades already uploaded work just fine - the only addition I made is the discrete off function.

xnappo
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Sammy2



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xnappo wrote:
I keep meaning to upload an upgrade for this - but the WMC upgrades already uploaded work just fine - the only addition I made is the discrete off function.

xnappo


I realize this is from 3 years back but did you ever upload this?
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mdavej
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Echo upgrade has discrete off. It would be exactly the same for any other MCE based upgrade. Just add OBC 42. This upgrade already has it as well:
http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload.php?action=file&file_id=12315

My Echo codes came directly from Ceton themselves, so it is 100% complete.
http://www.cetoncorp.com/support/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/72/0/echo-ir-remote-hex-codes

Here is the most complete list of MCE codes I've come across (not all of which Echo will respond to):
http://kodi.wiki/view/Using_a_Microsoft_remote_control_in_Windows#Table_of_remote_button_codes

Add them to your own upgrade by simply entering the "Button No." in the HEX column in RM.

If you want to go hunting for more, just enter any other number from 00 to FF and try it. Years ago, I tried all 256 possibilities and didn't find anything new.
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